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    Pirates also had a code like this on from Henry Morgan, interestingly the Capt. usually only got a double share of any loot, unlike today's CEO's which are on 300 times their average employee's rate or larger. Pirate code - Wikipedia


    I. The fund of all payments under the articles is the stock of what is gotten by the expedition, following the same law as other pirates, that is, No prey, no pay.
    II. Compensation is provided the Captain for the use of his ship, and the salary of the carpenter, or shipwright, who mended, careened, and rigged the vessel (the latter usually about 150 pieces of eight). A sum for provisions and victuals is specified, usually 200 pieces of eight. A salary and compensation is specified for the surgeon and his medicine chest, usually 250 pieces of eight.
    III. A standard compensation is provided for maimed and mutilated buccaneers. "Thus they order for the loss of a right arm six hundred pieces of eight, or six slaves ; for the loss of a left arm five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for a right leg five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for the left leg four hundred pieces of eight, or four slaves ; for an eye one hundred pieces of eight, or one slave ; for a finger of the hand the same reward as for the eye.
    IV. Shares of booty are provided as follows: "the Captain, or chief Commander, is allotted five or six portions to what the ordinary seamen have ; the Master's Mate only two ; and Officers proportionate to their employment. After whom they draw equal parts from the highest even to the lowest mariner, the boys not being omitted. For even these draw half a share, by reason that, when they happen to take a better vessel than their own, it is the duty of the boys to set fire to the ship or boat wherein they are, and then retire to the prize which they have taken."
    V. "In the prizes they take, it is severely prohibited to every one to usurp anything, in particular to themselves. ... Yea, they make a solemn oath to each other not to abscond, or conceal the least thing they find amongst the prey. If afterwards any one is found unfaithful, who has contravened the said oath, immediately he is separated and turned out of the society."
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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    ...torpedoes... in WW2 the standard size was 18".

    For the last 60 to 70 years most aircraft carried 12.5" air launched torpedoes like the Mk 44 and 46 torpedos.
    In the Colonial era, the Whitehead torpedos (1866-) were 17.7 inch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDLOVER View Post
    Pirates also had a code like this on from Henry Morgan, interestingly the Capt. usually only got a double share of any loot, unlike today's CEO's which are on 300 times their average employee's rate or larger. Pirate code - Wikipedia


    I. The fund of all payments under the articles is the stock of what is gotten by the expedition, following the same law as other pirates, that is, No prey, no pay.
    II. Compensation is provided the Captain for the use of his ship, and the salary of the carpenter, or shipwright, who mended, careened, and rigged the vessel (the latter usually about 150 pieces of eight). A sum for provisions and victuals is specified, usually 200 pieces of eight. A salary and compensation is specified for the surgeon and his medicine chest, usually 250 pieces of eight.
    III. A standard compensation is provided for maimed and mutilated buccaneers. "Thus they order for the loss of a right arm six hundred pieces of eight, or six slaves ; for the loss of a left arm five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for a right leg five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for the left leg four hundred pieces of eight, or four slaves ; for an eye one hundred pieces of eight, or one slave ; for a finger of the hand the same reward as for the eye.
    IV. Shares of booty are provided as follows: "the Captain, or chief Commander, is allotted five or six portions to what the ordinary seamen have ; the Master's Mate only two ; and Officers proportionate to their employment. After whom they draw equal parts from the highest even to the lowest mariner, the boys not being omitted. For even these draw half a share, by reason that, when they happen to take a better vessel than their own, it is the duty of the boys to set fire to the ship or boat wherein they are, and then retire to the prize which they have taken."
    V. "In the prizes they take, it is severely prohibited to every one to usurp anything, in particular to themselves. ... Yea, they make a solemn oath to each other not to abscond, or conceal the least thing they find amongst the prey. If afterwards any one is found unfaithful, who has contravened the said oath, immediately he is separated and turned out of the society."



    Good old Uncle Henry, he knew what he was about.

    Wonder why a left leg was any less expensive than a Right one.
    Unc has a lot of explaining to do.

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    I have a copy of an "original" Pirates Creed of Ethics I purchased while cruising the Caribbean about ten years ago.

    I also bought a book considered to be the most authoritative and highly literate account of the pirates called Under the Black Flag.

    The appendices, glossary and notes at the back of the book are most interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    I have a copy of an "original" Pirates Creed of Ethics I purchased while cruising the Caribbean about ten years ago.

    I also bought a book considered to be the most authoritative and highly literate account of the pirates called Under the Black Flag.

    The appendices, glossary and notes at the back of the book are most interesting.
    So if they didn't follow the pirate rules, you could instruct them to attend a code of conduct course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    I have a copy of an "original" Pirates Creed of Ethics I purchased while cruising the Caribbean about ten years ago.

    I also bought a book considered to be the most authoritative and highly literate account of the pirates called Under the Black Flag.

    The appendices, glossary and notes at the back of the book are most interesting.



    Aye Matey, were you a Morgan Pirate?


    Short Story.


    Not long after the end of WW2 a Royal Navy vice admiral (?)l visited Port Adelaide. He claimed to be a relly of Sir Henry Morgan & the Adelaide newspapers ran a story about him with a photo, blah ,blah ,blah.



    I remember my old Dad saying that this hossifer was a relative of his family , no idea what it was based on but whether someone had done a Family Tree or whatever back then is unknown but he was really certain about this bloke.

    Must try & dig up some more info about him but I had not given this another thought until this thread.



    Odd though, I have always had this attraction to ships & the sea & loved visiting Port Adelaide with my Dad on his working days there. He was a Transport Driver & delivered stuff around the Port to & from visiting Merchant ships which in those days was plentiful with the Port being full most days..
    Was for years a member of a Sea Scout Troop & loved the boating/sailing activities. The Polar Exploration Ship "Wyatt Earp"/Wongala was the Sea Scout Guard ship, (ex RAN but on loan at that time) which was moored to Buoys at Outer Harbour. Apparently she was far too small & under powered for the Antarctic work so the RAN took her back for something else. An LST I think may have been the next craft.

    In fact it was on one of those days when I first heard the F bomb & tried to not appear a bit embarrassed.


    It was when the old man delivered 2 Bower Anchors back to this Dutch ship & a driver mate stuck his head through the window to advise my old man to move the semi a bit because the ship couldn't reach it with their "****ing boom" GULP!

    No idea why the anchors were separated from the ship. Maintenance of those &/or the bow of the ship needed some work.???? Anyway they were off loaded & we went off to the next exciting job.


    HMAS Wyatt Earp - Wikipedia



    Sorry, what was the question?

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    Successor to the Wyatt Earp.


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    What is the difference between a Long Ton & a Short ton?
    And why?
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    Hi,
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    The British ton is the long ton, which is 2240 pounds, and the U.S. ton is the short ton which is 2000 pounds. ... This causes the actual weight of the ton to differ between countries. To distinguish between the two tons, the smaller U.S. ton is called short, while the larger British ton is called long.
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    Bit like their gallons, smaller, so they can have more of them.

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    Then just to keep you on your toes, there is a tonne which is 2,205 lbs.
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