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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Just a suggestion from experience.
    When a car is well and truly stuck in mud, one of the big problems is the suction from the mud.

    In this case I have found that you may need 2 methods to remove a stuck vehicle.

    An air bag placed under the front of the stuck vehicle will lift the front up enough to start a winch pull, and it will roll over and have to be repositioned under the front at say 1 metre intervals. Ramps could also then be placed under.

    I discovered this when the four wheel drive club I was in went to Mudgee where it is "vomit country", a thin layer of topsoil with porridge under it. Every car got bogged and it was an all day job getting them out.
    Regards PhilipA
    I managed to get maxtracks under the rear wheels by lifting with an airbag. Maybe I should try at the front once I sort the winch out…
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    No Pics - My family bogged a tractor, They got the other one to extract it and bogged it as well. Another bigger one was brought in and bogged it as well. The Biggest was obtained and yep it sank. 2 months later they all drove out. That was 30 plus ago in Western Districts Vic
    Would have been about 1960, my maternal grandparents had left their Pyramid Hill property in the care of my Uncle Don, for a trip OS.

    He bogged 3 tractors in sequence and they stayed in situ for months till it dried out.

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    If the electric winch is causing problems beyond just getting the rope on, would it help to hire/borrow/buy a hand winch like a turfor. You appear to have enough trees about to anchor to, to exert a pull force from off-vehicle. In a similar situation once, the vehicle electrics constantly running low was an additional curse/source of stress alongside the terrain I was stuck in. Kept on draining the battery on the winch and once I had an external source of pull, it took a lot of stress out of the situation when each small movement was a source of satisfaction.

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    In no way am I suggesting you try this, but years ago when I had a very stuck 4wd, I attached a rope to a large tree, which could be felled in a suitable direction, leaving a bit of slack in the rope and then proceeded to drop the tree. The vehicle moved enough to then fully recover.
    The slack in the rope let the tree gather momentum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windsock View Post
    If the electric winch is causing problems beyond just getting the rope on, would it help to hire/borrow/buy a hand winch like a turfor. You appear to have enough trees about to anchor to, to exert a pull force from off-vehicle. In a similar situation once, the vehicle electrics constantly running low was an additional curse/source of stress alongside the terrain I was stuck in. Kept on draining the battery on the winch and once I had an external source of pull, it took a lot of stress out of the situation when each small movement was a source of satisfaction.
    Hi Windsock

    I have been using a high lift jack (with the appropriate fittings) as a manual winch off one of the trees but it is unable to move the vehicle even after adding a 2 meter length of gal pipe for leverage. So much tension on it now I can’t get it lower, ie reduce the tension. Depending on the forecast rain and even if I can get some sort of cable on the winch I need to get some timber under the wheels to overcome the suction and the diffs stuck in the mud. There are plenty of saplings that they used to get the excavators out so I just need to chop some of those to length.

    Cheers - Simon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saitch View Post
    In no way am I suggesting you try this, but years ago when I had a very stuck 4wd, I attached a rope to a large tree, which could be felled in a suitable direction, leaving a bit of slack in the rope and then proceeded to drop the tree. The vehicle moved enough to then fully recover.
    The slack in the rope let the tree gather momentum.
    Hi Saitch, there’s some lateral thinking!
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    If you're stuck as bad as you say, don't go losing the vehicles' undercarriage. It can happen, with too much tension.
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    If you're stuck as bad as you say, don't go losing the vehicles' undercarriage. It can happen, with too much tension.
    Actually it is better to pull on the axle as that is the stuck part than it is on the body/chassis.
    A company a while ago was selling wire loops which attached to each side of the axle to attach a bridle to.
    Virtually nobody uses this method, although it is the most sensible way . The problem is getting under hence the loops reaching forward to the bumper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saitch View Post
    In no way am I suggesting you try this, but years ago when I had a very stuck 4wd, I attached a rope to a large tree, which could be felled in a suitable direction, leaving a bit of slack in the rope and then proceeded to drop the tree. The vehicle moved enough to then fully recover.
    The slack in the rope let the tree gather momentum.
    Thus we have the Nullarbor Plain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by travelrover View Post
    Hi Windsock

    I have been using a high lift jack (with the appropriate fittings) as a manual winch off one of the trees but it is unable to move the vehicle even after adding a 2 meter length of gal pipe for leverage. So much tension on it now I can’t get it lower, ie reduce the tension. Depending on the forecast rain and even if I can get some sort of cable on the winch I need to get some timber under the wheels to overcome the suction and the diffs stuck in the mud. There are plenty of saplings that they used to get the excavators out so I just need to chop some of those to length.

    Cheers - Simon
    Wow, that is full-on stuck. No half measures taken ...

    All the best with the winch rope and be careful.

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