Inconsiderate Land Rover driver.

The cyclist needs to own her own incompetence, rather than look for someone else to carry it.
Bike Riding 101: put at least one foot on the ground when stopped.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

The cyclist needs to own her own incompetence, rather than look for someone else to carry it.
Bike Riding 101: put at least one foot on the ground when stopped.

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Some riders are good enough to stop without having one foot on the ground. :)

Back in the early 70s, a few of my motorcycling friends used to show off their sense of balance by stopping at the level crossing on town, balancing for a second or so and then proceeding without having put a foot down. (A bit like trials riders do all the time.)

We stopped doing it when one of us was booked for not stopping as required at the level crossing. The cop refused to believe that he had stopped because he hadn't put a foot down to balance while he was stopped.

The Defender virtually had its left wheels running on the edge of the sealed surface - would have been more risky to both the Land Rover driver and cyclists to attempt to move over further.
Meanwhile, all three cyclists were passed by the Land Rover without anything near contact. Two cyclists didn't have a problem - one couldn't manage to stop her bike (even though it was not necessary to stop) and maintain her balance.

Anyone thinking that this was NOT the cyclist's fault should seriously not be allowed on the roads.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

The cyclists weren't endangering the Land Rover. He'd've been up for it in Victoria as well.

It's astonishing - and a measure of how clueless a lot of people are - that there were people on social media saying that it was OK because he hadn't actually come into contact with the cyclists, as if that was the issue: if he had even brushed them they'd've been seriously injured or dead. I've been hit a couple of times by cars and the last time I was hit I was thrown metres through the air (over a car, over a fire hydrant 3 or 4 metres away, miraculously going between two trees and not into them ...) and my bike was destroyed. That's a Land Rover 90 which would weigh about 1.8 tonnes - and if something that weight, and going that speed hit what are basically pedestrians then the result is not going to be the equivalent of a car park bingle.

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The Landrover wasn't any danger to the cyclists either So one BS fine for the driver and another BS fine for the cyclists would be fair don't you think?

I think the cyclists shouldn't complain as I'm sure they don't pay rego, not even in the UK,...........wait a few minutes while I heat up my popcorn!

I'm not commenting on the above accident itself.....

Whilst we obviously encourage cycling due to the health benefits, lessening traffic and saving the environment, I must admit that we have had many encounters with cyclists simply not obeying road rules, this leaves me - the driver of the car - ENTIRELY responsible for their safety, as if I hit them they would most likely die, or be very badly injured.

With this in mind I'm confused as to why they behave so recklessly, (not all) particulary when they get into a hunting pack type situation.

If I were to hit one I would be reported by someone (I would obviously report it myself) for the accident, because I have a number plate they are able to do this.

We have seen numerous cyclists nearly causing serious accidents, but I can't report them... As they have no number plate, we have deliberately created a perfect outlet for people who don't know road rules or won't obey them, they kind of "get off on a technicality".

All bikes should have 2 number plates, then the dangerous moronic ones could be reported and lose the right to cycle, which would be better for all the other cyclists and vehicle drivers trying to do the right ring.

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Originally Posted by shack

I'm not commenting on the above accident itself.....

Whilst we obviously encourage cycling due to the health benefits, lessening traffic and saving the environment, I must admit that we have had many encounters with cyclists simply not obeying road rules, this leaves me - the driver of the car - ENTIRELY responsible for their safety, as if I hit them they would most likely die, or be very badly injured.

With this in mind I'm confused as to why they behave so recklessly, (not all) particulary when they get into a hunting pack type situation.

If I were to hit one I would be reported by someone (I would obviously report it myself) for the accident, because I have a number plate they are able to do this.

We have seen numerous cyclists nearly causing serious accidents, but I can't report them... As they have no number plate, we have deliberately created a perfect outlet for people who don't know road rules or won't obey them, they kind of "get off on a technicality".

All bikes should have 2 number plates, then the dangerous moronic ones could be reported and lose the right to cycle, which would be better for all the other cyclists and vehicle drivers trying to do the right ring.

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That'll end up in the too hard/may lose me votes, basket.

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Originally Posted by shack

I'm not commenting on the above accident itself.....

Whilst we obviously encourage cycling due to the health benefits, lessening traffic and saving the environment, I must admit that we have had many encounters with cyclists simply not obeying road rules, this leaves me - the driver of the car - ENTIRELY responsible for their safety, as if I hit them they would most likely die, or be very badly injured.

With this in mind I'm confused as to why they behave so recklessly, (not all) particulary when they get into a hunting pack type situation.

If I were to hit one I would be reported by someone (I would obviously report it myself) for the accident, because I have a number plate they are able to do this.

We have seen numerous cyclists nearly causing serious accidents, but I can't report them... As they have no number plate, we have deliberately created a perfect outlet for people who don't know road rules or won't obey them, they kind of "get off on a technicality".

All bikes should have 2 number plates, then the dangerous moronic ones could be reported and lose the right to cycle, which would be better for all the other cyclists and vehicle drivers trying to do the right ring.

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Must agree, some seem to be suicidal and make no attempt to take their own safety seriously. Here in the Hawkesbury we have lots of hills and generally pretty narrow and crap roads with lots of farm vehicles using them.
On the weekends we are inundated by packs of cyclists and they create plenty of frustration amongst the locals.

Certainly here in the UK cyclists are jailed on a regular basis for running into and killing pedestrians

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Originally Posted by 3toes

Certainly here in the UK cyclists are jailed on a regular basis for running into and killing pedestrians

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I think in Australia that if you are on a bicycle the default assessment is innocent.