Power prices, gas prices- ouch or Solar perhaps?

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Achievable dependent on time frame, is dependent and what they consider "net zero" to be today. Its like the carbon scheme ... all fancy and amazing, but a load of merde. They were "planting" pre-existing forests, not clearing land that was already not to be cleared, planting trees where they would never grow. As soon as you ever take a glimse into these types of schemes, its just smoke and mirrors.

How many billions/trillions will we need to spend on massive fire prone batteries .... how many new mines will we need to dig for the copper and nickel ... and lithium... and everything. To meet any of the nonsense targets currently being planned across the world. By 2050 we will need more copper than has ever been mined by man throughout all of recorded history.... to come even remotely close to these insane (absolutely nuts) targets. Do you know how hard it is to start new mines anywhere in the world that isn't a 3rd world country? You really think these is even remotely likely, even it the biggest wet dream a greeny will ever have [bighmmm]

its all nuts .... impossible.... lunacy... there is no other way can it possibly be described. Sam griffin maybe 100% right from his perspective.... but is also quite nuts. So his exact words were "So we have all these machines that burn fossil fuel, we can just replace them with machines that use electricity" .... Um.... Ok, we live in the real world. All of the infrustructure our lives depend on, shipping, planes, trains, trucking, farm machinery .... EVERYTHING that provides our way of life "can just be made electric". It amazes me how some of the smartest most intelligent people can also be unbelievably dumb.

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Shane L.

Perhaps watch some of the long form videos.

It's not mad, but it's also why it's important to start. Your influencer is trying to make it all seem too hard. All problems no plan. Hopefully we all just say "screw it let's just keep doing what we're doing".

If we never start, we're never going to get there. Every time we allow someone to put in a gas heater at home, or gas oven, then the emissions from that are baked in for another xx years until they are replaced. With cars, every new ICE car that we put on the roads.. that's it.. it's going to keep using that amount of fuel until it gets retired. I keep saying don't worry about people with whacky needs - just electrify the easy ones. Lets get that done. So, many of the schemes you see now are to encourage people to make good choices. I'm not saying there aren't problems.

People like Saul are genuinely smart people. They've thought about it and come up with a plan. And they care.

There are just so many vested interests trying to stop progress, and the "centre for independent studies" is an excellent example of the forces working against getting there.