Power prices, gas prices- ouch or Solar perhaps?

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3256929[/URL]]2016? 2017?

It's all here John.

2016 South Australian blackout - Wikipedia

cheers, DL

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Not sure if Wiki is a source to be trusted when any kind of politics is involved. It is so easily manipulated by bad actors. Even the top people at Wiki have admitted that, mainly due to Musk entering the conversation with Grokipedia. Personally I prefer the actual source, not something that is used for the purposes of propaganda. There is a huge body of evidence that this happens with Wiki
Not saying that the article you linked is of that kind, but I am suspicious.

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I've got to leave some fun for you too!

Unlike your sites, renew economy has a solid reputation for being factual.

The guardian also covered it. It doesn't surprise me that sky didn't cover the academics saying "that's not what we actually said"

Academics say their net zero costing is being ‘misrepresented’ after Nationals repeat $9tn claim | National party | The Guardian

Here is where they said it would cost 9 trillion.

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Where is the link to the report? I don't believe 9trillion has been pulled out of thin air. They have got this value from somewhere.

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I don't often go to this site, but it's excellent and I'm glad when I do.

So they had a bit of a background on my Centre for Independent Studies which I'd managed to determine was a disinformation pump. This article from 2024 mentions that they were actively set up to promote nuclear and attack renewables and grid stability.

So my noting that none of the people who work there had ever worked in the industry, or had any qualifications in it was spot on. They were employed to pump the plausible disinformation. So when our Policy Officer headpiece says she's "passionate about nuclear" .. I guess whatever you need to say to get the job. As plausible disinformation is her career - she's got nothing to loose by publishing this stuff. In fact it will probably help her in the future. I hope she can sleep at night as she ages.

Just a moment...

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So, once again you choose to smear those who are not in your team, as do Renew, who have a great deal of form for this. What is wrong with a group who align with the Coalition? Are they now the evil ones and teams Red and Green are angels? Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world.

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It has always been my belief that solar and wind cannot produce 50Hz without the regulation of the mechanical generation, whatever the source. Something that the big coal, gas and hydo have no problem with. Is that wrong?

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All generators have frequency control in solar and wind it is via an inverter, in diesel, steam and hydro, it is a speed controller or governor, which adjusts the fuel, steam or water supply according to the load.They all get the 50 Hz baseline signal from the grid.

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Not sure if Wiki is a source to be trusted when any kind of politics is involved. It is so easily manipulated by bad actors. Even the top people at Wiki have admitted that, mainly due to Musk entering the conversation with Grokipedia. Personally I prefer the actual source, not something that is used for the purposes of propaganda. There is a huge body of evidence that this happens with Wiki
Not saying that the article you linked is of that kind, but I am suspicious.

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From my experience their report sounds kosher, nothing aggregious in there. AFAIK Wiki relies on vetted people as authours and doesn't allow AI models to feed straight into it.

Couple of mates in SAPN confirmed that it’s pretty much on the money on this topic.

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Where is the link to the report? I don't believe 9trillion has been pulled out of thin air. They have got this value from somewhere.

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I'm sorry the forum is changing the name of the links. If you click on the link that says "error page" that takes you to the sky news with the trillion dollar figure. There is no way I can post the link without it displaying as "error page"

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So, once again you choose to smear those who are not in your team, as do Renew, who have a great deal of form for this. What is wrong with a group who align with the Coalition? Are they now the evil ones and teams Red and Green are angels? Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world.

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Nope, I'm cool with whoever if they follow the science and logic. It's when they diverge from this that I take exception.