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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron;[URL="tel:3257019"
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    So it will run a bit of the local city for 25minutes .... what a pathetic waste. 25minutes is just nothing if there is an outage for any reason.

    Imagine the infrustructure we could have upgraded that would last generations for one billion $$$.
    As Adelaide discovered, a backup system is only any use if it works. And 25 minutes is not very long, especially if you are on an operating table and the emergency generator doesn’t start. A total grid failure in Melbourne would kill people. All for a vanity project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    As Adelaide discovered, a backup system is only any use if it works. And 25 minutes is not very long, especially if you are on an operating table and the emergency generator doesn’t start. A total grid failure in Melbourne would kill people. All for a vanity project.
    I'm trying not to be to negative. I can understand why they want big batteries around the place. They should not be mentioning how long it can supply power for, as this most likely isn't the reason they have installed a battery. It will be installed as the infrastructure cannot handle peak power requirements at specific times of day, and they have worked out ""xxx million"" to upgrade the power transmission lines, or ""xx million"" to install a battery that can handle the peak power requirements that may only happen for a 1 hour period of the day.

    Its really hard not to be negative when you see the utter stupidity they continue with though
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    I don’t see negativity. I see someone standing up for what he believes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    As Adelaide discovered, a backup system is only any use if it works. And 25 minutes is not very long, especially if you are on an operating table and the emergency generator doesn’t start. A total grid failure in Melbourne would kill people. All for a vanity project.

    Hate to say it but I've seen this happen, a black out at a hospital due to failed electrical systems, no deaths though as heart lung machines have hand cranks.

    Also critical equipment is fed via a UPS which should carry the load until the generator comes online, Generators and UPS's are usually assigned on a n+1 basis, so at least one spare.
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    In a hospital not so far away, the emergency Genny supply would cut in very quickly, and was tested monthly, without fail. Part of Standing Orders, so to speak.
    So when hit with a major outage; no dramas, - until there were.
    Refuelling the large storage tank was then added to said Standing Orders.
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    In my experience fuel problems with generators are a lot more common than people would think.
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    The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley.. Robert Burns.

    As true now as it was in 1785 when he wrote "To a Mouse".

    Or, as a certain person generally referred to as "Murphy" might have called law, the firs thing to fail in any circumstances is the failsafe system. Anyone who believes that engineers always get it right has forgotten about Boeing. Or SpaceX for that matter, although their approach is more "suck it and see".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDLOVER View Post
    In my experience fuel problems with generators are a lot more common than people would think.
    Helping with the clean up after Black Saturday bush fires just over 10 years ago was the catalyst for me buying my first Disco. One of very few survivors on a road we helped had a Disco. He also had a large generator and electric water pumps, sprinklers and was able to save almost everything at his farm. His Gen set was a huge ex Telstra one I think. He was an engineer, it showed. Many people who had fire pumps that would not start did not have the same outcome.

    On a funny example I think I have mentioned the huge UPS for all Victorian Pokies taken down by a sparky cutting a wire well outside the supposedly protected circuits


    I still fall back on the maintenance required for my Disco compared to my current drive. Well over 2000 widgets in my Disco. Petrol and diesel Fire pumps (or gensets) need significant care.

    The current news power prices have increased 23% impacting in the inflation rate recently is a bit of a funny thing as well. The Energy subsidy was paid for by taxpayers- not really free.


    This month my solar or free power time has misfired only on the 1st of Nov. I accidently imported 15kWh from 1am to 3am @$0.08c Per kwh. It's so close to zero since then

    Trying hard not to export power I have possibly $4.40 owed to me by spilling out
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    So far, the cost or investment I made of about $8000 is looking pretty rewarding. Prefer long term results of course. The amazing Engineer I met from Growatt a few weeks ago promised a change in running their inverters in parallel. I used to do for my business back up with two Victron systems. IF/When that occurs, I will modify and improve the back up to everything here. NOTE the feed in game is NOT rewarding unless you're in a VPP or similar time play company.

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