Thread: Power prices, gas prices- ouch or Solar perhaps?

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

It seems due to the complexity of the modern energy market providers are able to manipulate the price in their favour....WA economic regulator accuses power generators of overcharging utilities for wholesale electricity - ABC News

It says in the latest alleged breach, WA's largest privately-owned generator Bluewaters Power hiked the wholesale price of electricity by about $30 million over eight months.

IIRC from the news broadcast a total of 100M is alleged from various suppliers in WA.

It is my argument that renewables are not the cause of our high power costs - but is instead caused by the privatisation of our power grids and retailers. In QLD at least the grid is still mostly state owned, but even the retail arm was sold off.

The state got about 2.4 billion in 2007 for selling the retail arm off. It would be naive to think that this is not costing us more now.

Oh, you were serious. Seppo .... septic tank..... You know, they are full of merde

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Oh, you were serious. Seppo .... septic tank..... You know, they are full of merde

Yes. I was aware of septic tank as all the old diggers used it. I hadn't made the seppo connection.

Originally Posted by DieselLSE

hadn't made the seppo connection.

Hard to believe! That term for Americans is probably older than me!

Originates from septic tank rhymes with Yank not an ugly characterisation as an earlier post imagines which makes them really "Listerine" as in "anti-septic".

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

It is my argument that renewables are not the cause of our high power costs - but is instead caused by the privatisation of our power grids and retailers. In QLD at least the grid is still mostly state owned, but even the retail arm was sold off.

The state got about 2.4 billion in 2007 for selling the retail arm off. It would be naive to think that this is not costing us more now.

It is absolutely the renewables ... Every single country that has tried this stupid "net zero" caper is rapidly going bankrupt and has the highest energy costs in the world. Its common sense, if you build throw away type power infrastructure that is intermittent in its nature (ie: depends on the weather). You need 100% capacity backup. ie: you are paying for doubling or tripling up of all the power generating infrastructure.

Now if the renewables were capable of running 24 x 7 ... reliable regardless of weather conditions, didn't have a minuscule life while also being extremely fragile. We would be having a very different conversation then. Australia as a whole we agree burdening the next generations with massive debt to build something long lasting and environmentally friendly is a good idea. We are doing the opposite, building what will be waste lands of stupidity in the near future ( windmills and solar panels littering the landscape unused ... dead) while also paying massive debts off to china for this throw-away flambe crap. There is solar panels on fire right now while I type this. You certainly wouldn't want any of your family to be a fire fighter dealing with this green stupidity. (electric cars, windmills, solar panels, big batteries).

Originally Posted by p38arover

Hard to believe! That term for Americans is probably older than me!

I'm sure I remember it from before you were born (1950s?).

The earliest I can remember it being referred to is way before my time, namely WWII when the Americans had General Douglas Macarthur head quartered in Brisbane with a lot of American troops for the Pacific campaign. Although it might be from before that in Cockney rhyming slang.