After The EU, Australian Territory Moves To Ban New ICE Sales In 2035

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

There is a plan to spend $20b to upgrade the energy transmission network with 3 upgraded corridors in Qld, one in NSW (Snowy Hydro 2.0) and one in Victoria, so more renewable sources can be connected.
The states are also installing big batteries at a rapid rate, some to replace worn-out coal power stations, to store surplus power locally and release it when needed.
We spend about $30b a year importing oil, which makes us vulnerable to overseas threats, so becoming more self-sufficient will help national security.
We're not short of energy, we just have to be smarter about using it.
BTW I see Ford is about to release EV Rangers and Transits and Mitsubishi an EV Triton, so the trend is happening.
If we move to Euro6 or better vehicle emission standards that will stimulate a flood of EVs, rather than us being a dumping ground for vehicles with dirty exhausts, as at present.
Long haul trucks will remain diesel for a while, but there are EV big trucks coming from Volvo, Ford and others. Battery charging depots along major routes will see trucks roll in and forklifts used to pull out the used batteries and slide in charged replacements. I read about a plan for battery depots in Brisbane, Coffs, Taree and Sydney, for example.
It's happening.

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Project Energy Connect is already underway which will help a great deal in getting bulk power from one place to another and is very much needed and welcomed but that won't get the power into the burbs and the cities to power EV's - that's the hard (and very expensive) bit. We won't see Euro 6 here for another decade (in cars - already here for trucks) so don't hold your breath (pun intended) for that one. [biggrin]

How do you figure we're not short on energy - or should I say, which energy do we have plenty of? It certainly isn't electricity that's for sure. We have plenty of gas but we sell nearly all of it OS - that won't help us get from A to B though.

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Originally Posted by superquag

" oh look, - fuel for electric cars !"

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That's very funny but not quite correct, as in most countries EV's are powered by a mix of coal, gas, wind, solar, hydro, etc.

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Originally Posted by scarry

There are also reports of public charging points being load shedded as well.

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Originally Posted by 3toes

In the UK the demand on energy caused by the current small take up of BEV vehicles has resulted home car chargers now only being able to be used in off peak periods

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The beauty of the new EV's is they have software that can talk to the grid, so can actually act as batteries to support the load.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

There is a plan to spend $20b to upgrade the energy transmission network with 3 upgraded corridors in Qld, one in NSW (Snowy Hydro 2.0) and one in Victoria, so more renewable sources can be connected.
The states are also installing big batteries at a rapid rate, some to replace worn-out coal power stations, to store surplus power locally and release it when needed.
We spend about $30b a year importing oil, which makes us vulnerable to overseas threats, so becoming more self-sufficient will help national security.
We're not short of energy, we just have to be smarter about using it.
BTW I see Ford is about to release EV Rangers and Transits and Mitsubishi an EV Triton, so the trend is happening.
If we move to Euro6 or better vehicle emission standards that will stimulate a flood of EVs, rather than us being a dumping ground for vehicles with dirty exhausts, as at present.
Long haul trucks will remain diesel for a while, but there are EV big trucks coming from Volvo, Ford and others. Battery charging depots along major routes will see trucks roll in and forklifts used to pull out the used batteries and slide in charged replacements. I read about a plan for battery depots in Brisbane, Coffs, Taree and Sydney, for example.
It's happening.

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More the better. The Current proposed 43% plan is far to little i.m.o.


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It is very very clear Billions spent in just one year 2021 cover some of the power need some of the time but do not do enough to cover all of our needs most of the time IF we want c02 free power all of the time

. All the renewables possible are fine with me. Very happily the EU has now included the only one which can provide this in its Taxonomy meaning the cheap funding which was only for wind, solarPV, Hydrogen, Hydro and a few others is right now shifting to the only real option for them and all of us.

Except us Australians of course. we are toooooooo smart [bighmmm][bighmmm][bighmmm] Money is flowing right now in EU funding to the urgently needed clean power. A big bet (or a very realistic investment???) Mine is that German saves its backside with keeping three Nuclear plants it was needlessly shutting down before the end of 2022. Regardless of the Germans my money is where my mouth is for many years in Nuclear and Hydrogen and a few very cool medical business that just seem to generous to pass up.

NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE- I am also good at loosing money DYOR is the idea.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

The beauty of the new EV's is they have software that can talk to the grid, so can actually act as batteries to support the load.

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They need to be charged before they can do this so back to the question of how they charge in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

They need to be charged before they can do this so back to the question of how they charge in the first place.

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A good motto with EV's is ABC Always Be Charging so they could've been trickle charged the night before and charged at the shops/work during the day, when solar is plentiful. To paraphrase Voltaire circa 1770 "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".

All good in theory but I think you’ve missed the whole point of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

All good in theory but I think you’ve missed the whole point of the discussion.

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Yep- I missed it as I mostly get all my silly little EV recharged for free [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Get to drive the Disco soon as my trailer is full plus.

Found a pic I think says it all in my narrow view.

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Germany is rolling over right now apparently. I could have added I would eat my old Navy Diver hat if they did not but knew it was occurring

23 minutes untill NYSE opens and I have some fun

My point is more abut getting all this power TO the EV's when we're all driving them - the actual infrastructure needed - it's what I and plenty of other do for a living and there's no solution that anyone can come up with that has a price tag on it that anyone wants to pay for.

It can be done, but the increase in expenditure on the infrastructure required to do this in over the next 20 years is over an order of magnitude - current figures would make power around 15 times more expensive than it currently is to get this done so everyone can charge what they like, when they like - that equates to around a $200 recharge to a decent EV - I don't see anyone lining up saying that's a good idea, so we're still at square one - even if we built a dozen nuclear plants, there's no way of economically getting the power to where it needs to be.

Can it be done - yes. Will it be done - I doubt it. I think Hydrogen fuel cell EV's will beat battery EV's to the mass market just because of this very issue - which is a global issue, not just something here.

Toyota ran the coaches box and some lighting at Marvel Stadium the other night during a game from a Hydrogen fuel cell gen - where they had a fuel cell EV alongside demonstrating the tech. It will be far easier and cheaper to roll hydrogen out that upgrading the grid to cope with charging.

I still think we need nuclear and also a mix of battery and hydrogen EV's but I think Hydrogen will be dominant within a decade or so. I remember when LPG was first introduced and Dad and his friends saying it would never amount to anything as there's no way it can be rolled out and installed at enough service stations to make it viable to run a car on. I think we're back there again so give it 10 to 15 years and I think we should see a very different landscape to what we are looking at now.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

The beauty of the new EV's is they have software that can talk to the grid, so can actually act as batteries to support the load.

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Tough if you planned on a drive the next day that required a full battery but it was only half charged.