Thread: After The EU, Australian Territory Moves To Ban New ICE Sales In 2035

Originally Posted by BradC

Renewables are inherently unreliable. That's fine if you don't mind freezing to death in the dark, but for the rest of us there needs to be some stability in the grid.

Businesses won’t put up with unreliability,and many use huge amounts of power.

The tenants in one of our sheds use around $25K a month,and it’s not a huge shed.
The power is that critical for their operation they also have a standby gen set.

Originally Posted by scarry

Businesses won’t put up with unreliability,and many use huge amounts of power.

The tenants in one of our sheds use around $25K a month,and it’s not a huge shed.
The power is that critical for their operation they also have a standby gen set.

Power prices are going to hurt EU manufacturing. German in particular. Italy and Austria in the mix with 90% of the power coming from gas.



The sheds 25k per month a year ago here is possibly about to be ??? Fuel price for the genset a year ago was about $1:20. today its about $2:20 isn't it?

Coal is up 179% for the year
Natural gas 119%
UK gas a whooping 269%

Link to data

Sun glasses on if you have a solid long contract and the electrical supplier doesn't go belly up


PS I have my sunnys on due the huge jump in one of my favorite commodities. Significant out performance over night for this black duck

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Power prices are going to hurt EU manufacturing. German in particular. Italy and Austria in the mix with 90% of the power coming from gas.



The sheds 25k per month a year ago here is possibly about to be ??? Fuel price for the genset a year ago was about $1:20. today its about $2:20 isn't it?

Coal is up 179% for the year
Natural gas 119%
UK gas a whooping 269%

Link to data

Sun glasses on if you have a solid long contract and the electrical supplier doesn't go belly up


PS I have my sunnys on due the huge jump in one of my favorite commodities. Significant out performance over night for this black duck

You'll soon be moving to the Gold Coast and wearing white shoes!

Originally Posted by scarry

Businesses won’t put up with unreliability,and many use huge amounts of power.

The tenants in one of our sheds use around $25K a month,and it’s not a huge shed.
The power is that critical for their operation they also have a standby gen set.

A couple of real world examples of power use on a commercial scale that I have casually observed:

The Irrigation pumps on a property that I used to live on drew 450 amps across three phases when they were operating. Not having power available on demand was completely unacceptable as the allocated water would have passed by the property and been lost.
Boyne Aluminium Smelter sources most of its power from Gladstone power station. More than a short interruption would cause destruction of the smelter and in a load shedding situation the smelter is the last load to be dropped from the Gladstone power station

Both of these business cases need to be assured of a reliable power supply to be viable.

Regards,
Tote

IIRC, from my school days, Gladstone power station was specifically built to supply the smelter.

Originally Posted by Tote

A couple of real world examples of power use on a commercial scale that I have casually observed:

The Irrigation pumps on a property that I used to live on drew 450 amps across three phases when they were operating. Not having power available on demand was completely unacceptable as the allocated water would have passed by the property and been lost.
Boyne Aluminium Smelter sources most of its power from Gladstone power station. More than a short interruption would cause destruction of the smelter and in a load shedding situation the smelter is the last load to be dropped from the Gladstone power station

Both of these business cases need to be assured of a reliable power supply to be viable.

Regards,
Tote

In another life I worked for a good few years at both the smelter and the power station,some memories there.

Refrigeration doesn’t go well with power outages either,particularly freezers.
Many hold critical supples.

Originally Posted by Saitch

You'll soon be moving to the Gold Coast and wearing white shoes!

I did just ask about a kia ev9 to replace my cheapie short range one I do hear Gold Coast Marathon is flat. Everything I run here has bloody big hills US government bill to night might make last night look little little athletics for a few things I play with in the Lazer field.


I love Aussie Tech I never ever change running shoes. Same ones for ten years plus - Blisters and stuff I hate- White Ensign I can live with happily. White shoes are officer kits. I was and am much more a mess-deck type. Perth retirement dreams for me

ASX did nice things while I did vaccine nanny role today

Originally Posted by V8Ian

IIRC, from my school days, Gladstone power station was specifically built to supply the smelter.

Yep, that's generally how it works. The smelter at Portland, Vic required an accompanying power station to be included in plans when built in the 80's.

An interesting factoid: There was a time when aluminium was a very expensive metal due to the complexity of turning the ore into metal and it was right up there with silver and gold. Then along came the electrolytic smelting process and the rest, as they say, is history.