Now Toyotagate

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Hmmm.
Coming from someone that owns two large 4WD's that are used recreationally seems somewhat hypocritical[bigwhistle]

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No not at all, for starters I can only drive one at a time so no increase in emissions, the old Disco 1 would be the least polluting because it is constantly recycled not turned to waste and 99% of its running is on LPG, look up the exhaust emissions if you need to.

Are you implying anyone with a 4wd is an environmental disaster?

All I was pointing out was on one hand severe actions were warranted and justified to save a few yet to save a much bigger long term issue was questionable

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

No not at all, for starters I can only drive one at a time so no increase in emissions, the old Disco 1 would be the least polluting because it is constantly recycled not turned to waste and 99% of its running is on LPG, look up the exhaust emissions if you need to.

Are you implying anyone with a 4wd is an environmental disaster?

All I was pointing out was on one hand severe actions were warranted and justified to save a few yet to save a much bigger long term issue was questionable

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EPA vic report is for cars not maintained and honestly should not be on the road at all with out repairs and required maintenance. Well maintained is not a focus of EPA happily. To pick on legal vehicles untill we have several affordable replacement options would be stupid i.m.o.[thumbsupbig]

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Are you implying anyone with a 4wd is an environmental disaster?

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What I am impling is that Anyone that owns a large 4WD as a recreational vehicle has no buisness playing the "Green Card" about saving the enviroment.[thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

What I am impling is that Anyone that owns a large 4WD as a recreational vehicle has no buisness playing the "Green Card" about saving the enviroment.[thumbsupbig]

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Some may have an EV they use most of the time,and a larger 4WD for touring,and going places a 4WD is needed,and the EV is not suitable.

And have a house that runs off the grid.

Everyone's situation is different.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Some may have an EV they use most of the time,and a larger 4WD for touring,and going places a 4WD is needed,and the EV is not suitable.

And have a house that runs off the grid.

Everyone's situation is different.

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I am talking about "Recreational"use and lets face the facts that there are not too many 4WD's on australian roads that are EV's.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I am talking about "Recreational"use and lets face the facts that there are not too many 4WD's on australian roads that are EV's.

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Not yet and do not forget about FCEV as well as BEV coming soon just not yet as usual- I had felt exactly that way waiting for my MGev [biggrin] It does not replace my Disco for the things it is needed for[bigsmile1] Options just might see it replaced before it does the magic 500,000km?

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Originally Posted by trout1105

What I am impling is that Anyone that owns a large 4WD as a recreational vehicle has no buisness playing the "Green Card" about saving the enviroment.[thumbsupbig]

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Unless it runs on biodiesel, baby!

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Unless it runs on biodiesel, baby!

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I wasn't aware that bio diesel had Zero emmissions and a Zero carbon footprint [bigwhistle]
But then again with the price of diesel at the moment making your own bio diesel is starting to look mighty attractive[thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I wasn't aware that bio diesel had Zero emmissions and a Zero carbon footprint [bigwhistle][]

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Not sure there is a power source in use today that has zero emissions and a zero carbon footprint

Remember some years ago the revalation that the plant materials for the "bio" part of your diesel was grown on land previously used to grow food crops. As the bio diesel ingredients were getting a better price than the locals could pay for the food, the bio won and the locals lost their land.
A big yoke like a Defender may seem less friendly to the environment than the newer cars. I do not see anything "green" in taking a good sound Defender off the road just to replace it with a newer car like electric, bev, newer petrol or diesel simply for the sake of it. Fair enough if the Defender suffers a major accident and is written off so be it then buy the new modern car. The amount of mining, processing and using ever decreasing resources for batteries, car bodies, plastics etc should be taken into account when a new car is given a "green" label. The new cars have to be transported here by a fossil fuel powered ship. Transported on fossil fuel powered trucks to get to the fancy show room. All of this should be placed against the carbon footprint of newer "green" cars. How about people driving their new "greener" cars to the airport and getting on a plane to fly to a foreign country. They do not see the irony in that. Me, I have never been on an airplane so I like to think I have some "green" credits built up. Also I wonder how long owners will keep their new "greener" car before replacing it with a newer, more "efficient" one? What's that going to do for the environment? Who will buy a second hand electric or bev car when the tv ads will be telling them how much better and "greener" the new model is? So if the car you have has run it's course then fair enough replace it but don't just replace it to keep up with the latest trend.