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    Quote Originally Posted by trout1105 View Post
    He doesn't care Where it was built he will Never buy another one.
    Fair enough, and I don't blame him, but you posted this

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    He has vowed Never to buy another Chinese manufactured 4WD ever again.
    I was merely interested if the thing actually was built in China, given that's kinda what the thread is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Dunno why people ignore the D-Max, which is possibly better than all of 'em, or the Mazda BT-50, the current one of which is based on the Isuzu.

    Of course, whichever one, there is a long wait for delivery atm.
    They are good mate but trading on an old rep for reliability to some extent. They have had issues that are not uncommon with turbo failures over the last few years and a major structural faults it seems. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Nor mine. Even if someone else is paying for it.

    People compare them to Japan. I'm old enough to remember when everyone laughed at Japanese cars. Thing is, those cars, the RT40 Corona, the Colt 1100, the Datsun 1000, the strangely named Nissan Cedric, those cars, the ones that didn't die in accidents or get sent for scrap, are still going. I'm not psychic, but I reckon I can predict that the same won't be said of these LDVs, Havals etc. in 60 years. My D1 might be though. Well, it's already 30..

    Ah yes, perhaps Although china is looking like it will go through everything Japan has gone through I do believe that there are a few factors that are not the same. First of all, the runners up to Japan are the Koreans. In the seventies the Japanese competed everyone out of the market with cheap (casette) decks and what not but from then on they became the masters in that area, the same with cars. China has not really gone along that same path in short succession to the Japanese, Korea has. In the 90's nobody wanted a kia or hyundai and come the naughties they were not very popular but getting pretty good and I would argue that the both of them are the Honda and Toyota of today. China (and india) still have a loooooooooong way to go to match that, if ever.

    It used to be that there was a large gap between the scores on reliability surveys between Japanese and European brands. These days the top 5 is not exclusively Japanese anymore and unfortunately this is NOT because European cars have gotten that much better, the Japanese have gotten so much worse unfortunately (in my experience). This is also because of how the market is these days and I do not believe china or India for that matter are ever going to get to the point Honda and Toyota used to be in the 90's for example.

    Also, I too am typing on a 2014 PC made in china since everything is produced there these days, but when and if I have the change I no longer buy anything from that country, not because I hate the people but I certainly do NOT want to sponsor the CCP in any form or way.

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    What manufacture are the chinese people driving? Are there rapidly growing car junkyards there because the vehicles are no good? Are the chinese people knowingly buying low quality cars? Are they knowingly selling poor quality vehicles to Australian dealers?

    We are quick to condemn but the amount of necessary maintenance I had to continuously do to my D2 over 8yrs was almost scandalous. Many , many people on this forum do the same thing all the time to their Land Rovers and accept it , but if its a Chinese based vehicle readily condemn it. My brother in law manages a large vehicle network in the Caribbean and turns all Land Rover custom away , no exceptions , but accepts regular work on Chinese and other manufactured vehicles . Lets see what transpires.

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    In 2005 I purchased new a Korean 4WD.
    Before Korean Car makers had established a goodish reputation.
    No the paint was not as good as a BMW, no the build quality was not as good as some Japanese & no the quality of some materials was not quite Mercedes standard.
    But it was extremely comfortable, reliable & capable.
    It was about $10,000 cheaper than the nearest comparable vehicle, loaded with kit & had a lot more power & Newton Meters than the Prado of that day.
    It had a longer warrantee than 99% of other brands (only used once) & was a lot cheaper to run.
    In all it was a good car & I still think it had one of the best diesel motors ever built.

    Give China a chance, like the Koreans they just might get their act together.
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    [QUOTE=ramblingboy42;3172471]What manufacture are the chinese people driving? Are there rapidly growing car junkyards there because the vehicles are no good? Are the chinese people knowingly buying low quality cars? Are they knowingly selling poor quality vehicles to Australian dealers?

    Good question, and there is a huge amount of EV's rotting away due to the rebates available for them - there is a market over there for buying them and putting them in a paddock for 5 years and keeping them registered as the incentives over that timeframe are worth more than the car - I'll try and find the video on it - it's nuts.

    I doubt that a lot of Chinese who may be buying their very first car ever in the family as they start to develop more and more would care too much about quality or what it does to be honest - it's a very different market, but it's an interesting question worth looking at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post
    . First of all, the runners up to Japan are the Koreans. In the seventies the Japanese competed everyone out of the market with cheap (casette) decks and what not but from then on they became the masters in that area, the same with cars.
    Indeed. Japan ran into the problems that beset most nations as they advance technologically: labour costs. It became better for the bottom line to outsource manufacture to "poorer" countries, like S Korea. Mobs like Panasonic and Sony set up factories to make televisions in SK. The knock on effect of this was it taught the S Koreans how to build high quality televisions and they never looked back. Look at Samsung.


    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post
    China has not really gone along that same path in short succession to the Japanese, Korea has. In the 90's nobody wanted a kia or hyundai and come the naughties they were not very popular but getting pretty good and I would argue that the both of them are the Honda and Toyota of today. China (and india) still have a loooooooooong way to go to match that, if ever.
    Totally agree. If I was in the market for a new car I would be taking a very hard look at one from there. I often lust after a Kia Stinger GT ( old school boy racer in me I guess ) which is easily the equal of anything in the same league from Germany. I simply don't see the Chinese chasing that market any time soon. However, they are capable of producing perfectly good VWs and Beemers it would seem.



    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post
    Also, I too am typing on a 2014 PC made in china since everything is produced there these days, but when and if I have the change I no longer buy anything from that country, not because I hate the people but I certainly do NOT want to sponsor the CCP in any form or way.

    Cheers,
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    That one is difficult. Who else makes the stuff we use daily? S Korea, obviously, but I'm pretty tied into the  ecosystem. I wish I wasn't, as they aren't the company they used to be, but I am. So a Samsung phone/tablet isn't in my future. Perhaps that's why I insist on keeping my Mac running the latest OS even if  refuse to support it.

    The Party is the huge issue, and I'm with you totally on that one. I'm constantly amazed by the number of people who claim a social conscience but continue to support that particular group in so many ways. The amazing uptake of the social media platform named after a clock comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    They are good mate but trading on an old rep for reliability to some extent. They have had issues that are not uncommon with turbo failures over the last few years and a major structural faults it seems. Cheers
    I would add a big "NOT" to the Limited Slip diff on the Mazda Bravo was a huge clear fail on a mates in the sand One wheel spinning away and the other side no limited in any way- Not turning in any way either

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    I would add a big "NOT" to the Limited Slip diff on the Mazda Bravo was a huge clear fail on a mates in the sand One wheel spinning away and the other side no limited in any way- Not turning in any way either
    Which Bravo? They have changed. Up until 2006 the Bravo was a Mazda vehicle upon which the Ranger was based. Then it was the the B Series Mazda until 2010/11. Then the roles were reversed. The T6 Ranger was designed by Ford Australia, and the Mazda BT-50 was based on that. Somewhere on 2020 the two parted company, and the BT-50 is now based on the Isuzu. All built in Thailand if it matters. All of this is for our market only, things change internationally, and I generalise to some extent.

    Of course, your mates diff may simply have been ****ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Which Bravo? They have changed. Up until 2006 the Bravo was a Mazda vehicle upon which the Ranger was based. Then it was the the B Series Mazda until 2010/11. Then the roles were reversed. The T6 Ranger was designed by Ford Australia, and the Mazda BT-50 was based on that. Somewhere on 2020 the two parted company, and the BT-50 is now based on the Isuzu. All built in Thailand if it matters. All of this is for our market only, things change internationally, and I generalise to some extent.

    Of course, your mates diff may simply have been ****ed.
    It was in WA so pre 2000 possibly 1990-95 version- Mate got a ex Police one we bogged a lot while supposed to be fishing- It was me pushing the rotten thing a lot of the time

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