Will a new EU directive stop us repairing old cars?

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Originally Posted by scarry

And a bit off topic,they don’t want you to make any money or own any assets so you are not a burden on the country in retirement.

A topic for another thread[biggrin]

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Not off topic at all. It's all a part of it. You will own nothing and you will be happy. Karl Marx couldn't have said it better.

I guess I was hoping to at least be left alone a bit more downundah since the country is so vast...

Anyway, yes. a mate of mine has been in the car business all his life, 55 years of family business but he just sold his garage and is moving to a smaller place where he will do nothing but deal in cars a couple of years old. No more repairs, no more sales of old cars and whatever he trades in goes immediately to the, shall we say, less reputable circuit. Thing is, the law says you have to give 1 year warranty on a car no matter what and people do find all sorts of ways to break a car in one years time. Prices are determined online, if you are not the cheapest or close to it no one even ever visits the store front anymore so no haggling once you get there AND trade-in prices are abysmal. He's lucky to make a few K on a couple of years old car AND has to take the risk of 1 year warranty on top. That's not something he is willing to do on anything over 4 years anymore.

Now, that is consumer law and is suppesedly to protect you and since cars have traditionally attracted scum since it was an easy product to scam people with I understand that it exists and it has saved my neck once already but still, it is not an easy thing for the car business as a whole. It also increases the prices of cars for me, the consumer. There are more examples of this in other fields. I recently posted on here somewhere regarding vans and the tax that will skyrocket on those thus prices for the consumer will go nuts.

In regards dat WEF blackrock ESG and what not, mr. whats his face... Flint?Fink? from Blackrock has stopped using the abbreviation ESG already. There is an interview somewhere that I already forgot where he said it did not work, on the other hand one better be aware that they have simply rebranded it into something new, yet the same.

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Before it became commonly branded as D.E.I., a mate and I were casting it to memory as D.I.E., and when you include 'representation', I nicknamed it D.I.R.E...

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

Before it became commonly branded as D.E.I., a mate and I were casting it to memory as D.I.E., and when you include 'representation', I nicknamed it D.I.R.E...

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All I can say is that it gives me the D.I.R.E rear.

Disney threw the letters around and there is now a thing (I kid you not) called JEDI training. The J stands for justice in this case.

Seems Musk is planning a hostile take over of Disney, that should be good. I'll grab a beer and a chair. ;)

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Originally Posted by prelude

Seems Musk is planning a hostile take over of Disney, that should be good. I'll grab a beer and a chair. ;)

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Along with Nelson Peltz, who has seen the bottom fall out of his considerable investment under the stewardship of Bob Iger.

Have to say, I don't think Disney's dwindling audience will find the takeover hostile. They'll probably join you and cheer from the sidelines. So will I, although my beer drinking days are over.

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Originally Posted by AK83

There are enthusiasts and there are consumers!

This additional cost burden isn't just on the complicated parts of the vehicle, like the computers, it's slowly, if not yet fully happened where even the most usually basic items that can fail need to be 'reprogrammed' into the vehicle when replaced.

I had this happen a while back on the Hdi Peugeot I inherited from my dad.
An otherwise stellarly reliable vehicle considering the mess he made of it!
This HDi model runs with the DPF fluid additive system. On other cars that I've researched, they have easier access to the fluid reservoir, this Pug being a wagon was made harder, PITA, but doable for the average 'enthusiast'
Small pouch, had a quick connect fuel type connection system. Fluid was bought for about $200 incl shipping, so a no brainer. Job was done, but still the same error message on the small info screen that the Pug has.
It would have had about .5 lt left in the pouch, about 2.3lt pouch, I only got 2lt of the fluid.

:bat:

Doing a lot of searching, I found out that when refilled the 'new pouch' had to be programmed back into the cars ECU. More specifically the DPF fluid ECU.
(for a not so tech minded idiot, I didn't know that it had a DPF fluid ECU)

So got to thinking .. if it didn't know that it was full, how did it know it was not full. There is no level sensor.
It 'relies' on a count meter(which is really quite stupid!)

Now this cost me $200, but also cost me over $1K in an advanced OBD scanner (that didn't work) and then $150 for a Pug specific scan tool that did work.
Being that I'm an enthusiast, not a typical consumer ... I went the extra mile to get this super reliable little cheap car going.
Average joe consumer wouldn't .. too much 'drama'.
So they would rely on the dealer to sort it, and the dealers quote was in the $2.5K range, $1500 just for the pouch of fluid!

Anyhow, I finally fixed this issue with the correct scan tool(and while it has other issues(ECU based) it's still going strong and does about 1K+ klms a week at the moment.

Manufacturers are making their vehciles in a way that the average joe can't just replace this part, or that, and that it will require programming of the ECU.

eg. same issue with the fuel pressure sensor on the pug. What happened the good ol days when you replaced a benign part ... fuel pump, sensor or whatever and the car was fine again .. now you have to reprogram it to know the part has been changed??? :soapbox:

I think this direction is what car makers will head further into to stop folks finding ways around sourcing cheaper fixes for repairs

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Where abouts are you? I can reset the counter for you quite easily. I have a lexia clone here that will work on Citroen/Poogoe models. Its not overly expensive an allows you to program in new keys and check the error logs

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by prelude

In regards dat WEF blackrock ESG and what not, mr. whats his face... Flint?Fink? from Blackrock has stopped using the abbreviation ESG already. There is an interview somewhere that I already forgot where he said it did not work, on the other hand one better be aware that they have simply rebranded it into something new, yet the same.

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His name is Fink. As a descriptor it falls short of the mark IMO.

Larry Fink is his moniker, and Larry Silverstein is the owner of the WTC, you know, the building of TWO towers... both demolished by. "Terrorists", - for which he had wisely insured against, the one who sued said insurers - and won - seeing as he was attacked. TWICE.
So he got paid out twice as much.

What is it about the name Larry ...? [bigwhistle]


Blackrock claims it's backing off the. 'Climate Change' narrative...

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Originally Posted by superquag

Blackrock claims it's backing off the. 'Climate Change' narrative...

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At least publicly.