OMFG - Got my New Front & Rear Bars for the P38

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Originally Posted by tombraider

Mate, that looks the dogs bollocks!!! :D:D:D:D Awesome!!!

I love the barwork and fit/finish... great stuff...

I do have one question please dont take offence to..

How are those bars Airbag compatible? The testing procedure to gain Airbag certification is a wildly expensive and destructive process...

Did they crash test them?

Not that I wouldnt stick a set of those bars straight on a P38 if I owned one anyway... Just curious if they did the destructive testing.


Like I said, looks awesome, great work....

Cheers
Tombraider

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The bar is legal fittment for P38, However there is a completely different set of standards should you talk D1 D2 or D3. Very expensive process of ADR compliance with that sort of SRS system. For me that is.

Even some vehicles that do not have SRS there could be a possible arguement that a bull bar may contribute to injury to the occupants in an accident where the vehicle is designed with crumple zones such as the D1 and many other vehicles. I believe there is areas such as SRS that have been over dramitised by large companies to protect there own sales. I don't believe that The large bull bar manufacturers have crashed a vehicle for every new bar they produce. The data used is for 1 single crash test or at most several. If this ADR was to be tested in a court after an accident causing injury or death than maybe we would have some real standards. And I would then engineer bars to suit other vehicles. Lets face it most air bags are not armed to 60klmh or more, way past where a crumple zone or crush can is of any real use in some thing as stong as a 4WD. It all does not add up for me. No doubt there is someone smarter than me on the forum who can explain this better or has another opinion.

And no offence taken. gives me chance to place a new debate about SRS and ADR. This ADR seems to be a mates rates sort of thing. I only build gear for rovers, so to costly for me to start Building bars for other SRS systems. I do have 2 new defender bars under construction they will be like the P38 bar something very differant. I must admit this bar I am proud of, lots of work in the design and can never be mass produced or made to fit anything other than a Rover.

glen

Discoute: The michelangelo of Land rover bullbars:D

Glen - I'll have a new bar for a RR Sport please. (I just bought a raffle ticket and I'm feeling lucky!).

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Originally Posted by discoute

The bar is legal fittment for P38, However there is a completely different set of standards should you talk D1 D2 or D3. Very expensive process of ADR compliance with that sort of SRS system. For me that is.

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I wondered how Hardy Neale got his P38A bars to be labelled airbag comptible.

Ron

Yes it's all bit scary with the ADRs sometimes Ron. I am looking into the D3 and later Rangies. I may spend the money for these Vehicles, I dont see anything that is stylish or stong on the market.

The new P38 rear bars I have designed so that the tyre or fuel carriers are a bolt on item as standard for each bar and will come standard with LED tail lights.

Glen

Mate that looks freaking awsome. To quote someone in one of the other threads "that would put a horn on a jelly fish". Matt:D

LOL thanks thats to good thanks,

glen

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Originally Posted by p38arover

I wondered how Hardy Neale got his P38A bars to be labelled airbag comptible.

Ron

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I wondered that too. My bars do come with an SRS compliance certification sticker, which relates to the mounting system. I asked my manufacturer whether this (compliance) would stand up in court - the answer was an emphatic Yes! That was good enough for me and did not enquire any further as I would be absolved from any liabilty anyway.

In any case, my bars are 10mm and mounts are 8mm aluminum, strong/thick enough for the bush but will give/tear/shear under a significant impact. Pretty logical really and certainly doesn't need to be as complex as some other manufacturers would claim.

I mean, far out - in the US you've all these jokers building their own 5mm steel bars and just bolting direct to the chassis. I asked one fellow about SRS compliance and he said "Oh, I just drive with the seat moved back"

I really beleive this compliance is a grey area. Kind of along the same lines as what Glen was trying to explain with the mate rates thing.

Have a look at a TJM or ARB catalogue where they crap on about SRS compliance for their bullbars. Notice that while they claim they've invested extensively in crash testing, why do they not actually show a smashed up car? Why does ARB show a dummy driven lifted 100 Series with 33" MT's, OME shocks, snorkel and ARB stickers "parked" in front of the barrier?

(The answer is marketing perception, of course but it does make you wonder...)

I would never want to detract from the research work these companies have done, but I agree with Glen where it would get to the point where they would have already collected enough data to know what constitutes effective design / construction and could pretty much go ahead with new designs as they please. Most of the focus for compliance goes into the mounting systems anyway.

And regarding public perception, I dare say there's a lot of drivers who would consider SRS Airbags to be nice soft pillows, not rampaging sacks of canvas inflating at around 300 kph.
Even my own wife once had a prang in my car (Bullbar #2) at about 40-50 kph, ran up the back of a stationary ute (with steel tray) She was fine, daughter was fine, bullbar did it's job and absorbed of a lot of the impact but car was still pretty messed up - However she wanted to know why the airbags hadn't gone off !! I replied that she was lucky circumstances prevented them from being required.

So there you go - maybe I'm one of the few bar suppliers who has actually conducted Crash Testing...:)

Current bar is design #3.


And yes, I want one like Steinzy's but with Oxford Blue.:twisted:


Hardy

velly nice
good job glen.
anthony - bastard
it looks terrific, i want one, and the car behind the bar!

Very cool!:cool: Excellent job Glen!:)