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    You're not in the forces now..... A chat about impacts of when and why some have ....

    A knowledgeable person who is about to dive/swim with Orcas (Killer Whales) in Norway suggested I look at this

    Warning some may be bothered by some of the topics in this !

    "Vietnam veterans and their families often ask why an event that occurred over 30 years ago still has an impact on their lives. This video records a presentation which provides an explanation of how military service, involvement in war and the subsequent effects may be linked. It also introduces the veteran to the skills that can be developed to manage the future."A presentation by Vietnam Veteran Nic Fothergill, in 2001, explaining how military service, training and war all contribute to mental health issues in Military Veterans.



    NB I was born at the middle to the End of the Vietnam war. (Two of my ships were their Vampire and Hobart)

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    FYI free diving with Killers

    "Norway is one of the only places in the world where you can go swimming with orcas in the wild. While there are many laws around the world prohibiting swimming with orcas, this law does not exist in Norway. However, there are many rules that companies have to abide by when offering these excursion and taking visitors out to snorkel with orcas"

    Just in case your as brave or crazy as the freediver lady who told about this here it is

    Orca Diving Expedition in Norway | Book Your Adventure Now! — SDM Diving

    PS Yes I am thinking of doing it. I was in the water not far from Pods of Killer Whales in British Columbia where I and my other mates in wetsuits almost froze to death Dry Suit not optional for me in cold water now

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    "Norway is one of the only places in the world where you can go swimming with orcas in the wild. While there are many laws around the world prohibiting swimming with orcas, this law does not exist in Norway. However, there are many rules that companies have to abide by when offering these excursion and taking visitors out to snorkel with orcas"

    Just in case your as brave or crazy as the freediver lady who told about this here it is

    Orca Diving Expedition in Norway | Book Your Adventure Now! — SDM Diving

    PS Yes I am thinking of doing it. I was in the water not far from Pods of Killer Whales in British Columbia where I and my other mates in wetsuits almost froze to death Dry Suit not optional for me in cold water now


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    Hello All,

    I have been watching the video that Navy Diver posted the link to. Such quality information for returned veterans has been available since 2001 - I suspect due to the fashion of the clothes the presenter wears it was recorded even earlier. If half the advice in the video was followed through and made widely available then we would have not needed a Royal Commission about Veteran's Suicide - this makes me very sad.

    Sorry for hijacking the thread - Mr Navy Diver.

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    Throw me in the water with a pod of Killer 'Whales' any day, if the only option is a North Queensland river.

    I like to think that, being Dolphins, Orcas have a semblance of respect for us humans. I can't say that about the Swamp Gecko, or many Noahs!

    I did see a diver, years ago, who got accidently (there were witnesses) involved in a 'Game' with a pod of Bottlenose. His bruises were quite a sight to behold!
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    Not sure I’m upto watching it……I joined well after Vietnam and thankfully never deployed to a war zone…..

    nearly everyday I reflect and wish I didnt sign up, I had three employment options at the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saitch View Post
    Throw me in the water with a pod of Killer 'Whales' any day, if the only option is a North Queensland river.

    I like to think that, being Dolphins, Orcas have a semblance of respect for us humans. I can't say that about the Swamp Gecko, or many Noahs!

    I did see a diver, years ago, who got accidently (there were witnesses) involved in a 'Game' with a pod of Bottlenose. His bruises were quite a sight to behold!

    That wouldn't happen today with Stubbynose dolphins or Can Nose, or would it?


    Certainly with the 750 ml it could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    Coincidentally, last night I watched the old 60 Minutes story about Long Tan, then watched John Schumann’s story about “I was only 19”, then the music video.

    As always, I was affected by the song.

    I don’t know how many pick up on Frankie’s stepping on a mine when man stepped on the moon and that Frankie was going home in June - Frankie should have gone home a month earlier. Armstrong stepped on the moon on 20th July, 1969 (21st here?).

    I won (?) the lottery for call up to National Service but thankfully failed the medical. Elisabeth was happy about that but not happy enough! 🥲

    A number of my work colleagues did go and it did affect them.

    I had tried to join the RAAF out of high school but failed their medical, too, because I was very shortsighted - but the army medical said my sight was OK as it was fully corrected with glasses. Without glasses, I couldn’t see the sights on the end of a Lee-Enfield (I knew this because I was in the Air Cadets).


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    Thanks Diver, an hour of my time well spent.

    This type of information should be presented to EVERY service member returning to Australia. Whether from a war zone or peace keeping mission.

    When I departed East Timor in February 2000 I spent about 5-10 mins with a Psych who asked several questions. You just give them the answers you know they want to hear. One less administrative issue to deal with.

    On arrival back home...... take a **** load of leave, then back to work. A few weeks later have a medal pinned on your chest.

    Defence made absolutely zero effort to reach out, to check in, to even bother once you returned. I had a young soldier in my troop who came back from Banda Ache following our response to the Tsunami in 2004. Dealing with that much death and destruction effected him but there was no monitoring, no follow up by Defence. Then about a year later he started to exhibit some .... strange behaviours which alerted us to his plight. Broke his marriage.

    Fortunately I have mostly been able to cope, sure there were a few 'issues' at home, at work (military) and in civilian life after. In my case, thankfully, not to any significant level. Perhaps because I was a civilian longer than I was a soldier, late starter at Kapooka at age 31.

    You don't have to be ex-military to have PTSD. You may have had some other kind of traumatic incident in your life.

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