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    Quote Originally Posted by tombraider
    Easier more powerful, more current available...

    Modern vehicles are getting to the stage that vehicle manufacturers are actually looking at going to 36 volt systems to power all the electrics (its coming sooner than later).

    Motors eg. winch run better on 24v, more power for lighting (12v is stuff all really) and more reliable... remember the old 6v VW Beetle

    Tombraider
    I well remember 6 volt cars with generators. They were what nearly all of us drove as young shavers. Most of them could barely cover the draw of high beam lights and a long night run using high beams could mean a starting problem in the morning. Many heavy prime movers have been 24 volt for years and most have voltage reducers fitted to supply 12 volts to the trailer/ trailers. The 12 volt bulbs are mechanically stronger and are less likely to fail from the shaking of empty running or severe outback service on our "roads". The operators that can afford them are going to LED trailer lights and prime mover tail lights, but, as most line haul owner-drivers are paid a pittance and operate on a shoestring, a total chabgeover to LED is a long way off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombraider
    My wishlist (a reasonable one, not a dream) would have been:
    - airbags WHY???? Waste of freakin time
    - automatic OK Fair enough here
    - relocated ECU and battery (they may have done this but I doubt it)OK Fair enough here
    - properly strengthend rear door (still will need a rear wheel carrier)OK Fair enough here but rated to carry WHAT size tyre? My 35s??? they're 36kg EACH
    - increased payload (hope we get the heavy-duty versions over here)OK Fair enough here
    - DSC Why would you want this pile of electronic crap?
    - Driver-controllable traction control OK Fair enough here
    - HDC Once again... WHY???
    - tighter turning circle OK Fair enough here
    - upgraded headlights OK Fair enough here
    - non-jiggly exterior mirrors Mine dont jiggle (at all) - Mirrors that is
    - larger fuel tank (120l would be good thanks) OK Fair enough here
    What, realistically, would you have wanted to see?


    How about:

    Larger tyre diameter from factory around 35"
    Factory Lockers
    Height adjustable suspension
    Integrated A/C etc... (like upcoming model)
    Sound deadening as option
    24v electrics
    Lower TC low range
    Lift up side windows
    V6 or V8 Turbo Diesel

    Cheers
    Tombraider

    Ditto to what mike said

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    The Bloody fuel tank

    One common theme throughout the thread is that piddly fuel tank.
    Why on earth in a country this BIG couldn't they have just given us the option of a bigger tank.
    I can just about live with the rest of it, after all it is a Defender and I love the thing.
    It takes me where I want to go!
    Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
    I well remember 6 volt cars with generators. They were what nearly all of us drove as young shavers. Most of them could barely cover the draw of high beam lights and a long night run using high beams could mean a starting problem in the morning. Many heavy prime movers have been 24 volt for years and most have voltage reducers fitted to supply 12 volts to the trailer/ trailers. The 12 volt bulbs are mechanically stronger and are less likely to fail from the shaking of empty running or severe outback service on our "roads". The operators that can afford them are going to LED trailer lights and prime mover tail lights, but, as most line haul owner-drivers are paid a pittance and operate on a shoestring, a total chabgeover to LED is a long way off.
    When cars first started to get electrics around the end of the first world war, voltage was 4, 6,8 or 12 volts, occasionally higher. This settled down to mostly 6v except for a few luxury cars which were 12v by the mid to late twenties. By the 1930s most manufacturers had changed to 12v except for the US and France and a few economy cars.

    After WW2 nearly everyone outside the US had 12v with notable exceptions being VW and Citroen, (and some US subsidiaries such as Holden). Landrover for example had 12v from the start as Rover was already 12v.

    Holden changed, I think, in about 1960, but most US cars remained 6v well into the sixties. One of the reasons for this was a legal limit on power of lights that stayed into the 1980s at least. But by then, other power demands were growing, and another factor came in - as more and more electrics were fitted, the sheer bulk and weight of wiring became a problem, and the simplest way of reducing this is to increase the voltage. By doubling the voltage, you can halve the cross section of the wire for the same voltage drop - but it is even better than that, because your voltage is twice as high, you can stand twice the voltage drop you could at the lower voltage, which means you can go to a quarter the cross section, not that i can think of anyone who has actually gone quite that far.

    But this makes it clear why manufacturers are looking at even higher voltages - the payoff is very good, for the cost of a somewhat more expensive battery - plus all the bulbs, fittings and electrical devices can only be bought from the manufacturer, at least until it becomes a new standard.

    If you look at a car of the early 1920s, it probably had two 24w headlights,
    plus two 6w sidelights, and a 6w tail light - total 66w.
    By 1930, add an instrument light - 6w, and a stop light, 21w, for a total of 93w (OK, I know they would not be all on at once, and I have left the horn out)
    By 1950, most cars now had two tail and stop lights, and the headlights would have been 36w - total 138w.
    By 1960, add blinkers, car radio, interior light, maybe boot light, some cars heater fan.
    By 1970 increase headlight wattage to probably 55w on high beam, and many cars have four headlights, doubling that, but transistors have reduced the drain of car radios. Drain has increased to where alternators are becoming common (although what actually made them standard was when diodes became cheap enough that alternators were cheaper than generators).
    By the 1980s ECUs started to appear, and airconditioning with its fans and compressor clutches started to become common, although it did not become almost standard until the 1990s.
    In the 1990s, gadgets such as electric windows and central locking, which had existed since the 1930s, became common.
    Since 2000, ABs, multiple CPUs, traction control, electric seats
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
    I well remember 6 volt cars with generators. They were what nearly all of us drove as young shavers. Most of them could barely cover the draw of high beam lights and a long night run using high beams could mean a starting problem in the morning. Many heavy prime movers have been 24 volt for years and most have voltage reducers fitted to supply 12 volts to the trailer/ trailers. The 12 volt bulbs are mechanically stronger and are less likely to fail from the shaking of empty running or severe outback service on our "roads". The operators that can afford them are going to LED trailer lights and prime mover tail lights, but, as most line haul owner-drivers are paid a pittance and operate on a shoestring, a total chabgeover to LED is a long way off.
    When cars first started to get electrics around the end of the first world war, voltage was 4, 6,8 or 12 volts, occasionally higher. This settled down to mostly 6v except for a few luxury cars which were 12v by the mid to late twenties. By the 1930s most manufacturers had changed to 12v except for the US and France and a few economy cars.

    After WW2 nearly everyone outside the US had 12v with notable exceptions being VW and Citroen, (and some US subsidiaries such as Holden). Landrover for example had 12v from the start as Rover was already 12v.

    Holden changed, I think, in about 1960, but most US cars remained 6v well into the sixties. One of the reasons for this was a legal limit on power of lights that stayed into the 1980s at least. But by then, other power demands were growing, and another factor came in - as more and more electrics were fitted, the sheer bulk and weight of wiring became a problem, and the simplest way of reducing this is to increase the voltage. By doubling the voltage, you can halve the cross section of the wire for the same voltage drop - but it is even better than that, because your voltage is twice as high, you can stand twice the voltage drop you could at the lower voltage, which means you can go to a quarter the cross section, not that i can think of anyone who has actually gone quite that far.

    But this makes it clear why manufacturers are looking at even higher voltages - the payoff is very good, for the cost of a somewhat more expensive battery - plus all the bulbs, fittings and electrical devices can only be bought from the manufacturer, at least until it becomes a new standard.

    If you look at a car of the early 1920s, it probably had two 24w headlights,
    plus two 6w sidelights, and a 6w tail light - total 66w.
    By 1930, add an instrument light - 6w, and a stop light, 21w, for a total of 93w (OK, I know they would not be all on at once, and I have left the horn out)
    By 1950, most cars now had two tail and stop lights, and the headlights would have been 36w - total 138w.
    By 1960, add blinkers, car radio, interior light, maybe boot light, some cars heater fan.
    By 1970 increase headlight wattage to probably 55w on high beam, and many cars have four headlights, doubling that, but transistors have reduced the drain of car radios. Drain has increased to where alternators are becoming common (although what actually made them standard was when diodes became cheap enough that alternators were cheaper than generators).
    By the 1980s ECUs started to appear, and airconditioning with its fans and compressor clutches started to become common, although it did not become almost standard until the 1990s, and electrically demisted rear windows became common.
    In the 1990s, gadgets such as electric windows and central locking, which had existed since the 1930s, became common.
    Since 2000, ABS, multiple CPUs, traction control, electric seats etc have become common, and in the last couple of years GPS, DVD players and similar gadgets.
    All of this without even looking at aftermarket current drain devices such as UHF, HF, Mobile phones, laptop computers, added driving lights, fridges etc.

    As you can see, and as Brian points out, we are overdue for another increase in the standard voltage, the only question being what it will be - I have seen both 36 and 48 suggested as likely, with even 72V mentioned. The things I can see that could reduce this push is the quite likely change (soon) to LEDs for most lighting, and the use of more efficient CPUs, but this will only push it back a few years I suspect.
    John
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    I reckon the new fender will be great.

    Tweeters... bring them on. I have tweeters and subwoofer and amp in my fender and I've got to say to go back to a sub-std stereo (like in my commodore) is a big step backward... I love my stereo , especially in shiite peak hour traffic here in sydney. I would go crazy otherwise....

    Everyone's complaining about this and that... engine is too small... gearbox isn't auto... dash is too plastic... vents are possibly welded shut....

    Who cares ! As if the current fender is perfect... that's the beauty otherwise we'd all be driving german or japanese !!

    All I see is the same as what what's sold now with a few minor refinements... it's still the ruff as guts defender as what you can buy today. 90kw td5 Vs 90kw ford trannie

    I'm gonna check it out and chances are I'll probably hold onto my 2000 model td5 for a few years anyway and see what happens.

    AT LEAST LR ARE STILL PRODUCING AND SELLING DEFENDER IN THE FUTURE. WE GOT TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT !!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bluetongue
    AT LEAST LR ARE STILL PRODUCING AND SELLING DEFENDER IN THE FUTURE. WE GOT TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT !!!!!

    Amen!

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    Put your hand up if you have bought a new one in the the last 12 months.



    I have!!

    Numpty and the Missus

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    Quote Originally Posted by numpty
    Put your hand up if you have bought a new one in the the last 12 months.



    I have!!

    Numpty and the Missus
    Me too - bought it in April this year. I knew the new model was likely coming but had also heard rumours of the underdone engine and few other changes.

    I bought mine as a second car - purely my toy, and frankly the fewer concessions to being a "normal car" the better - hence I love the old classic dash (it's virtually identical to my '76 ex-army 109 soft top I had when I was a younger terror).

    I also knew that parts and particularly tuning techniclogy was way ahead for the TD5, and have since had Bruce Davis chip it up to 140KW / 450Nm. In fact he's got it right now installing my GKN o/drive which will still deliver 10% lower revs than the new 6-speeder, and I've also got him fitting up the bigger intercooler (170KW / 550Nm) and 140L tank.

    I plan on keeping mine for at least 5 years or until they release the twin turbo V8 !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by numpty
    Put your hand up if you have bought a new one in the the last 12 months.



    I have!!

    Numpty and the Missus
    Does May last year count?

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