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Agreed. The L200 is prone to dusting. Unfortunately the design of the D3 and D4 diesel cranks is problematic. The petrol V6 in the D3 was a good engine. But all things considered i think the L200 would be well ahead of a D3/4 TD (better) in the catastrophic engine failure stakes. But in terms of ability and enjoyment when they are working, the D3 and 4 are streets ahead of the 200 series. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Tins
I would never entertain the thought of any toyo product i despise them so much, if i was going Jap it would be a late model Paj.
Roughly the same size as a disco and the 3.2 has the same power and torque figure of a 2.7 TDV6.
Honestly unless i can afford a Grenadier i would probably just throw 10K at the D3 and maybe find a cheap terri motor to stick in the shed just in case.
I am sure Brad knows which way i went,best thing we ever did.
But a different situation,we bought new.
The main real advantage of the D4,remembering i had one for almost 10yrs,and now the 200 for almost 5,is the ride,and handling.
Saying that,the ride of the 200 is pretty good,and with the KDSS,handling is not bad either.It is no sports car,nor is a Disco...
The D3/4 ZF auto is also smarter,but a good tune on the 6 speed does wonders,it is like another vehicle to drive.
In many ways the 200 is ahead of both the D3 and 4.
Lots of BS around,the dusting issue is one,if you do not maintain the vehicle properly,or fit after market filters,it is going to happen.
In fact Berrima diesel have never seen a 1 VD "dusted".
Downstream of the air filter on ours is clean like new,and it has spent a fair bit of time on dusty roads.
But the D4 air filter IMO is a better set up,as the seal is clamped well with screws,a huge improvement on the D2.
If looked after,serviced correctly the engine is probably the most reliable diesel of its class.With close to 500,000 sold in Aus in all models,issues are pretty scarce.
And thousands pull blocks of flats around all day,there are also probably hundreds of thousands around that are tuned.
Put that into perspective with the number of D3/4 engine failures and the number sold,makes the Ford Lion engine,and other LR engines, look very problematic.
Buying a second hand vehicle no matter what brand is always a lottery,good service records are critical,to say the least.
The DPF 200s,2016 onwards, had injector issues,but Toyota are still fixing them at no charge,no matter the year ,or the ks.
Apparently there is a 10yr warranty on the injectors,and it didn't affect all vehicles.
The issue was caused by the EGR coolers leaking.
Anyway,good luck with your choice,we have had five years of no issues,(touch wood)which is a huge difference to the first 5 yrs of any LR product we owned,all also bought new.
If you do go the dark side,i would get the vehicle checked by someone who knows them extremely well,even if it has been in the family.[smilebigeye]
Absolutely is the LC200 the opposite of all those things!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins
One of my boys just bought a s/h LC200, 2022 I think he said it was, for $86,000 and about 60,xxx odd klms from memory.
I drove it. Compared to my D4 it has no finesse whatsoever. Just a luxurious light truck.
Not as quick (admittedly I have a "Cambo ECU tune" 230 Kw/700 Nm); inferior braking; ride comfort & handling is abysmal when compared to the Disco.
Even my wife made a comment about the ride comfort ("and it's so BIG") and she couldn't care less about cars.
I figure that in the event of a catastrophic engine blow, (I clocked 222,222 today!) I'll spend $25k ish and still end up with a better car, and be better off financially than paying $60-80k odd (I need to tow a 3.0 tonne caravan) when I could buy a s/h 'something' and still have an expensive problem later.
I firmly believe that, in principle, if one is happy with one's present car then stick to it.
If it makes you feel better, amortise the expenses over the klms travelled which may make the costs look slightly less gruesome! [bigwhistle][tonguewink]
I suppose I should have said the LC200 is a 2010 and has been in the family since 2018, so it's very well sorted, maintained as well as the D3 and I know it like the back of my hand. In that time it has done 2 big laps with the van also.
Mum is going to move it on in the second half of the year, so it's a case of do we buy it off her?
Anyway, appreciate the input. Ultimately it's the wifes decision as it'll be hers. I've run all this past her and we'll see what falls out over the next couple of months.
Main reason I resurrected my D2. I have absolutely no regrets doing so, unless it's the folorn D1 that looks at me beseechingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Discodicky
This is an obviously speculative discussion. An interesting one for sure. I have absolutely no skin in the game and agree with Paul in wishing you luck with the choice.
I have no knowledge of Mrs C, but I do know that the late Mrs T wouldn't have driven something the size of any LCxxxx at gunpoint. But then she refused point blank to even get in the D1. Loved the D2. Funny cattle. My DIL, on the other hand, absolutely loves her Y62. Go figure.
Like I said upthread, she drove it for 2 months while her folks were over and loved it. On the other hand, she's still browsing D4s on carsales, marketplace and gumtree. I think a part of that is she knows she can sell the "much newer" korean child hauler and buy a second hand D4 with cash in hand, whereas the LC200 will require some additional outlay.
Not so sure about that. Bloke I worked for had two 'Yotas. One was an admittedly awesome, tuned 78 (79? Dual cab thing anyway ) Series which I drove at every opportunity. Thing would fly. He towed a massive fishing boat with it. OTOH, his wife had a LC200 ( all of this was pre 2016 ). Both cars were bought new. The Wagon was stock. It had three engines in it before 100JK. Massive oil consumption on the first two. Dunno about the third as we had parted company. But she used to leave a smokescreen that would have done a WWII warship proud. And this is not the only 200 that I have seen doing this (Recent model D4D engined HiLuxes as well). That said, 'Yota were far better at honouring the warranties, both actual and implied, than LR have been with the 3.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
Stories, admittedly apocryphal, abound about the new 4 Cyl 7xx series engines as well. Probably too soon to really tell, and possibly sour grapes from the V8 mob, but 'Yotas are fallible too.
Does any family deserve two D3/4s?[bighmmm]
Take that as you wish.[biggrin]