For the F3 users - north of Sydney

**101RRS** · 8th January 2007, 04:08 PM

Anyone who regularly uses the F3 north of Sydney will know that on the run up the hill north of the Brooklyn Bridge there is a dual speed limit of either 90kph or 100kph depending on whether it is raining - the sign is a non electronic speed sign.

On my way to Newcastle just before Christmas it had been raining during the day but on the relevant section of road, it was not raining and the road was perfectly dry - so the 100kph limit should apply. As you would appreciate at the top of the hill there is a speed camera and about 50m past it is an electronic sign that gives the current speed limit - I assume that when you get snapped the speed limit appears in the background.

So my question is this - if it is not raining and you are doing 100kph but the electronic sign at the top of the hill indicates the speed limit should be 90 and you get 'happy snapped' doing 100 - do you have a case to answer?

I guess the answer is well yes - but what is the limit - when it is not raining to lower signs say it should be 100 but the top sign (with the camera says 90).

Any thoughts - any legal beagles or NSW cops in the forum.

Gazzz

**LandyAndy** · 8th January 2007, 04:12 PM

Hi Gary
Surely the pic is evidence,dry road no rain.They wouldnt be able to hold it up against you in court,surely not!!!
Andrew

**100I** · 8th January 2007, 04:42 PM

I don't know the road but the speed limit applies after the sign, so I would think the question would be not what the sign after the camera says but whatever the last sign said before the camera.

**solmanic** · 8th January 2007, 04:54 PM

I thought NSW guidelines state that they shouldn't place a speed trap right where there is a change in speed limit. Therefore, since it is possible that the posted limit at the bottom of the hill is 100km/h and 90km/h at the top, then the speed camera may be incorrectly sited (therefore contestable).

In any case, I would have thought that the RTA was being more than somewhat devious pinging motorists for doing 100km/h when the determination of what constitutes "wet weather" is fuzzy. Do they mean wet - road, wet - precipitation, wet - forecast, wet - pants ??? Is this defined by the RTA somewhere? And does the 90km/h temporary limit apply the same as a school zone - ie. strictly enforeced regardless of whether the motorist has advice confirming that it's a "school day".

**dobbo** · 8th January 2007, 04:59 PM

There is also a rumour that on this same section of road the cameras log your time between points. If you make the section in under the prescribed time you get shot (by the camera) and fined. I have yet to find out if this is true of a scare campain.

**Bigbjorn** · 8th January 2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by dobbo

There is also a rumour that on this same section of road the cameras log your time between points. If you make the section in under the prescribed time you get shot (by the camera) and fined. I have yet to find out if this is true of a scare campain.

The overhead cameras have been doing this to heavy vehicles for years. It is just a short step to do it to all!

**George130** · 8th January 2007, 08:10 PM

They are planning to link the cameras up across the country for the trip time checks.

**Bigbjorn** · 8th January 2007, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by George130

They are planning to link the cameras up across the country for the trip time checks.

Which will get the truckies back to using secondary roads to bypass the cameras wherever possible, just like the old days of dodging the scales, and the permit and log-book inspection stations.

**Quiggers** · 9th January 2007, 09:31 AM

One (or several) of those overhead cameras got me in 1998, at 0149 (am), in a Falcon wagon towing a box trailer.....I received a warning letter from the RTA about a month after I drove the road they cited me for......

Big Brother has been watching for some considerable time.

(and yes I still have the letter, somewhere in the bowels of a filing cabinet).

GQ

**101RRS** · 9th January 2007, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by oldzook

I don't know the road but the speed limit applies after the sign, so I would think the question would be not what the sign after the camera says but whatever the last sign said before the camera.

This is the problem - the sign before says dry = 100kph wet = 90kph and the camera is in this zone. The electronic signs should be at the start not half way through the section so no interpretation by drivers would be needed.

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