Thread: Nuclear Power - debate / poll

Hi Tank
Yes Good point.
BUT how much is non nuclear costing us?????
Maybe send little amounts off at a time to prevent DISASTERS.
Johnny Howard and his mates havent peed in my pockets but I have watched enough docos to form a belief.
Coal and oil ARE DEFINATELY KILLING THE PLANET,have a look at Greenpeace and such Environmentaly friendly parties.They are turning tides.
Andrew

If you really want to make a difference to "our" environment..........


TOP YOURSELF!

We're a cancer on the earth.


This is not directed at any one person....but is directed at all persons.


Yes I am a greenie..........sort of.

Originally Posted by novice42

Nuclear is for DICKHEADS

Yes, thanks to nuclear power I can now please two women at the same time

We have a Federal Govt that:

1. Failed to answer the phone or read the briefings to know that they were wrong about children overboard.

2. Missed, for years, AWB corruption.

3. Invaded Iraq because Saddam was a) harbouring Al Qaeada and b) building nukes.

4. promised that no one would be worse off under 'work choices'

5. lied about interest rates.

6. As recently as last year had senior ministers questioning the science of global warming (that same science that is now the compelling argument to go nuclear all of a sudden).

We have state governments where:

1. Ministers are bought off and influenced by Brian Burke.
2. An incompetent doctor kills people in Bundaberg over an extended period - and then is allowed to leave the country.
3. They cannot make the trains run on time (how hard can it be - the old saying goes that even Mussolini could make the trains run on time in Itay 70 years ago!)

And some Australians apparently want to let these people regulate and monitor nuclear fuelled power plants? (which, if the news about Walker, Morgan et al is correct, will be run by their close mates and party financial supporters).

Good plan.

Copied directly from wikipedia.

"Contrary to popular belief, coal power actually results in more radioactive waste being released into the environment than nuclear power"

"Nuclear generation does not directly produce sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury or other pollutants associated with the combustion of fossil fuels (pollution from fossil fuels is blamed for many deaths each year in the U.S. alone). It also does not directly produce carbon dioxide, which has led some environmentalists to advocate increased reliance on nuclear energy as a means to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

"Even at three mile island, the most severe civilian nuclear accident in the non-Soviet world, the reactor vessel and containment building were never breached, even though it had suffered a core meltdown, so that very little radiation (well below natural background radiation levels) was released into the environment"

There are many other facts in there that dispel the myths surrounding nuclear energy. As I said before, go have a read

If the basis of the arguement has turned to "nuclear is more expensive", tough. Something has to be done.

On a personal note, thanks grumybastard for raising this issue, it has been most educational.

told you all it's gettin' ugly now.

Originally Posted by moose

Copied directly from wikipedia.

"Contrary to popular belief, coal power actually results in more radioactive waste being released into the environment than nuclear power"

"Nuclear generation does not directly produce sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury or other pollutants associated with the combustion of fossil fuels (pollution from fossil fuels is blamed for many deaths each year in the U.S. alone). It also does not directly produce carbon dioxide, which has led some environmentalists to advocate increased reliance on nuclear energy as a means to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

"Even at three mile island, the most severe civilian nuclear accident in the non-Soviet world, the reactor vessel and containment building were never breached, even though it had suffered a core meltdown, so that very little radiation (well below natural background radiation levels) was released into the environment"

There are many other facts in there that dispel the myths surrounding nuclear energy. As I said before, go have a read

If the basis of the arguement has turned to "nuclear is more expensive", tough. Something has to be done.

On a personal note, thanks grumybastard for raising this issue, it has been most educational.

Wikipedia. Any bugger can get on there and write anything they feel like. Try it.

I could get on their now and write any amount of tosh - for example 'about Landrovers been orginally being made by the Japanese,' and it would stay there until someone challenged it. Not quite the same as a reputable text subject to regulation and libel laws.

It is as much opinion as 'fact' and should be taken with a healthy dose of cynicism.

Try citing a Wikipedia 'fact' as a reference, even on an Undergraduate paper and see how far you go. When you assessor stops laughing you should get a good comment or two.

here's the list of references quoted. Feel free to check up on them.
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