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I have my insurance through NRMA and I specifically asked about off-road driving as it is not mentioned anywhere in the policy documents. Their answer was that provided the vehicle is not being driven or used in terrain beyond it's capabilities then it is still covered by the insurance. Or words to that effect anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenR
ok Just for interests sake I applied a NFW investigation technique to it using only the written facts, ignoring the video and trying to ensure that the most statements (from the post) that could be true are actually true or as close to the truth as possable.
1. ecu caused the engine to loose compression = engine died. Entirely possable, If he was giving it heaps, the traction control overheated from excessive attempts allowing him ro free spin the wheels. If he suddenly got lots of traction in the wrong gear the engine may have stalled.
This is indicitive of poor ground appreciation, lack of vehicle control and insufficient/innapropriate driver training.
2. The stalled engine caused there to be no brakes. = I had little or no effective brakes. If the one way valve on the vacume manifold of the brake boosted had failed or there was a leak from the booster diaprhagm an engine stall might have lead to nearly instant loss of vaccume. Given the 15 attempts taken the ABS/TC pump may have been operated past its limits and shut down due to over heating. When the engine stalled if his brakes had been overheated from excessive use from the Traction control system then the already reduced available braking force will have been further reduced.
If the booster is found to not be able to hold vaccume this is indicitive of poor maintenance/incorrect user inspection/operational observation.
If the TC had used the brakes to the point of brake fade this is indicitive of poor user training/poor vehicle operation.
3. The operator had made 15 prior attempts to preform the ascent. = operator was tasked beyond the capabilities of the operator/Vehicle.
The Operator should have ceased the attempt of the obstacle and reconoitered an alternative route/ used a more appropriate vehicle/hand recovered the vehicle over the obstacle/utilised an alternative winching source.
other contributing factors that have been listed are
1. use of the clutch while reversing. This is denied, IF true this indicates a undesired selection of a nuetral gear from either the transfer case or the main transmission, given the nature of the driving this is possable from worn componentry within the selectors or transmission, inadvertant striking of the gear levers or mechanical failure of the transmission. If examination of the transmission preculeds a mechanical failure or excessive wear then it must be assumed that the gear selection was accidentally knocked into neutral.
(it must be noted that in the situation, given the confined layout of the vehicles controls the operator may have inadvertanly operated the clutch believing he was operating the brakes.)
The primary cause for excessive wear or component failure is incorrect maintenace/inspection precluding this cause system abuse is the most likely culprit. This is caused by, intentional misuse, innapropriate technique/lack of training and operator error.
Its late, that'l do,
Anyone spot a reccuring theme to all points mentioned...
Yep. I've read his replies and the recurring theme is that it was the fault of the POS Land Rover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blknight.aus
Ron
What a phallas head..who would hard right hand down on a speed descent down an rocky incline..he deserved it but the poor car needs a descent owner:mad:
Actually, that particular car is unlikely to ever need a owner again :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyDawg
Hmm I seem to have rubbed her / him up the wrong way.
What a sensitive soul.
I can't believe you'd do anything like that Vlad......:twisted:
Frankly, I wonder why the hill wasn't blamed?
GQ
You have to admire his persistence at defending his mate! This has been going for days now, and there are 6 pages of comments (mostly from him).
I'd have got sick of it long ago and moved on to something else.
I am with NRMA too and " the vehicle is not being driven or used in terrain beyond it's capabilities" how is that judged? where's the yard stick? that's the biggest get off the hook card if ever I've seen one. I hate insurance companies.:angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by sam_d
Driver Training is something we don't do properly in this country
When l was 17 (32 years ago) and learning to drive from my father, l spent a year on L plates driving him everywhere daylight, evening and night fine weather and storms, was taught to drive at a consistent spend without the benefit of a cruise control, was taught how to reverse park, how to drive in reverse down a country lane at 30 mph using only mirrors to guide you, hill descent start both going forwards and in reverse, parking on a hill turning wheels into gutter, how to tow a trailer and reverse park it, so and so on.
Dad said he didn't want any of children dying on the roads because they didn't know how to drive a vehicle.
Licenses are given out to readily and too easily and applicants do not spend enough time building up under supervision their skills and knowledge and the driving test is a joke.
If we were serious about reducing the road toll we would change this situation but seeing we are merely revenue raising give every idiot a license and let them speed anywhere they want as long as they pay their fines who really cares, govt certaintly don't