Defender rollover

**Reads90** · 13th April 2007, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by cartm58

Driver Training is something we don't do properly in this country

When l was 17 (32 years ago) and learning to drive from my father, l spent a year on L plates driving him everywhere daylight, evening and night fine weather and storms, was taught to drive at a consistent spend without the benefit of a cruise control, was taught how to reverse park, how to drive in reverse down a country lane at 30 mph using only mirrors to guide you, hill descent start both going forwards and in reverse, parking on a hill turning wheels into gutter, how to tow a trailer and reverse park it, so and so on.

Dad said he didn't want any of children dying on the roads because they didn't know how to drive a vehicle.

Licenses are given out to readily and too easily and applicants do not spend enough time building up under supervision their skills and knowledge and the driving test is a joke.

If we were serious about reducing the road toll we would change this situation but seeing we are merely revenue raising give every idiot a license and let them speed anywhere they want as long as they pay their fines who really cares, govt certaintly don't

Well now you bring it up. After coming from the uk where there are 42 million cars Twice the amoutnt of people than in aus and the place is the size of a postage stamp compaired to Aus.
A large percentage of Aus drivers simply can't drive at all. The things i have seen people done just never ceases to amaze me

Mine you i do think most of them are not thougherbred Aus though and did get their lincese on a Cornflakes packet

**BigJon** · 13th April 2007, 04:20 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with Cartm58 on this issue.

**DirtyDawg** · 13th April 2007, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Reads90

Well now you bring it up. After coming from the uk where there are 42 million cars Twice the amoutnt of people than in aus and the place is the size of a postage stamp compaired to Aus.
A large percentage of Aus drivers simply can't drive at all. The things i have seen people done just never ceases to amaze me

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Mine you i do think most of them are not thougherbred Aus though and did get their lincese on a Cornflakes packet

Jesus, no wonder you live here......imagine the noise if they all started whinging at the same time.....

**Reads90** · 13th April 2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyDawg

Jesus, no wonder you live here......imagine the noise if they all started whinging at the same time.....

**DarrenR** · 13th April 2007, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by ak

I am with NRMA too and " the vehicle is not being driven or used in terrain beyond it's capabilities" how is that judged? where's the yard stick? that's the biggest get off the hook card if ever I've seen one. I hate insurance companies.

Well as everyone around the WWW knows, Land Rover owners know all, so I guess the Insurance companies should really consult with members of AULRO as to a 4WDrive's capabilities, and hey if they argue the point we can show them a Camel Trophy DVD

I'm going to go and hammer RACQ now to find out what they will cover. Mind you not that I have any intention of putting my Land Rover ass up..... because that would just be plain stupid now wouldn't it?

Thanks for the info sam d & ak.

Best regards
DarrenR

**vnx205** · 13th April 2007, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by sam_d

I have my insurance through NRMA and I specifically asked about off-road driving as it is not mentioned anywhere in the policy documents. Their answer was that provided the vehicle is not being driven or used in terrain beyond it's capabilities then it is still covered by the insurance. Or words to that effect anyway.

Do insurance companies work on the same principle as those companies that offer a lifetime warranty on a product? When a product fails, it has by definition reached the end of its life, so the warranty has expired.
Insurance companies might assume that if you get stuck or break something then that in itself is proof you were taking the vehicle beyond its capabilities.

**vnx205** · 13th April 2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by spudboy

You have to admire his persistence at defending his mate!

Yes, but did you notice he spends about as much time boasting about his own skill or experience as he does defending his mate? Then he has the temerity to criticise other people who mention their level of experience.

**sam_d** · 14th April 2007, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by ak

I am with NRMA too and " the vehicle is not being driven or used in terrain beyond it's capabilities" how is that judged? where's the yard stick? that's the biggest get off the hook card if ever I've seen one. I hate insurance companies.

It does seem like a get out but at least it's better than saying that it should not be used off road at all I suppose.

**PeterM** · 14th April 2007, 04:40 PM

I checked with AAMI and as long as it is marked on a map I'm allright.

**Blknight.aus** · 14th April 2007, 05:26 PM

the usual rule of thumb is

1. onroad use is a formed blacktop road or in remote australia any road marked as a thick red line on the map (major roadway)
2. onroad use is any track marked on any readily obtainable map,

Which essentially means no use on private properties or in comp tracks as they usually only appear on specialist maps. .pdf maps of national park tracks are acceptable providing they are in sufficient detail to allow someone else to easily get to if you were to give it to them with a marker to indicate location..

(I cant get that to sound right)

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