hows this for some driving!

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Originally Posted by Tusker

I wonder sometimes if flicking it on tarmac stages really is quicker. Probably, coz that's what they know. But the motto in circuit racing is "Sideways is slow". Only time those guys throw a car around is to entertain the crowd.

Often wondered if you set up a rally car a bit lower & stiffer for the tarmac stages & drove it smoothly & neatly, what the difference in times would be.

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The big difference between circuit racing and rallying on tarmac, as that the circuit racer knows the track intimately, where as the rally driver doesn't. Apparently having the car sideways makes it easier to adjust the car mid corner. Also I remember hearing about the optimum slip angle. If the car starts sliding greater than this, then you start to wash off speed. If you look at F1 prior to wings, they basically four wheel drifted around every corner, as it was the fastest way to drive those cars. Mind you, they didn't quite have the same amount of grip that cars do these days.

Agree entirely. I know with my old race MG, in the historic category, the only tyres that work are racing Hoosier crossplies. Slip angle is enormous, just like the old Fangio & Moss videos. Crossplies need the slip to work.

Put Dunlop Formula Rs on it for the modern sports categories, & its a different car. Smooth & neat is quickest. Drifting it with these on just results in a spin.

Regards
Max P

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Originally Posted by Tusker

Agree entirely. I know with my old race MG, in the historic category, the only tyres that work are racing Hoosier crossplies. Slip angle is enormous, just like the old Fangio & Moss videos. Crossplies need the slip to work.

Put Dunlop Formula Rs on it for the modern sports categories, & its a different car. Smooth & neat is quickest. Drifting it with these on just results in a spin.

Regards
Max P

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And if you used different tyre profiles, it would be a different car again.
Do interesting handling tricks, them, round black rim protectors, don't they.


Shorty.

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Originally Posted by Tusker

Often wondered if you set up a rally car a bit lower & stiffer for the tarmac stages & drove it smoothly & neatly, what the difference in times would be.

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Another thing I just remembered, Henri Toivonen drove a Lancia Delta S4 rally car in 1986 around the Portuguese grand prix circuit that would have qualified him for 6th for the F1 grand prix that was held there that year!

He is very talented.
Makes me want to get back into Rallying.
i Rallied for about 8 years and most of that was naving for 2 guys, one in a Lotus Escort and Cortina GT500, the other a Ferarri 308 and a Porsche 968CS.
i used to Drive a Volvo 164, it was a nice old girl, lots of grunt from the cast iron straight 6, wont babble on to much, but it was good for a 13.8 second quarter and would do about 180kmh at 7000rpm with the gearing i had. Claim to fame.... Fastest on stage 4 on the Rally of Ararat (Vic) i was competeing against WRX's and Evo's and older stuff like mine.... How was i quicker??? it was a road i knew like the back of my hand, i had driven it so many times i could have done it blind folded. My Navs commnets at the end was "that Fooking cattle grid was not that wide" and "why did i bother calling notes" i only scared myself on that stage once..........
Damn i want to go back and drive it again now..... there is a straight with 6 pipes running under the road. each one raises the road about 1 foot, so at the tonne, to keep it straight is not easy.... i gained so much time on that section as they slowed for the yumps. and the 2 cattle grids could be taken at full noise even thou there was a T intersection 30m past them. Line the corner up 1st, cross the grid sideways and your lined up for the exit at full noise.... just watch the gum tree on the exit.
The section in a forest was really sandy and that was fun..... i think the track ended up 4 times wider at the end due to drifting.....

Thats exactly how I would imagine Grumpy Bastard leaving work on fridays

you're alll missing the point, its a rental car:p :p :D

Got to love them old M's beautiful


I wonder how bright them Lucas lights are though?

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Originally Posted by Aussie

Thats exactly how I would imagine Grumpy Bastard leaving work on fridays

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lol..

It isnt just on Fridays :)

This guy doesn't do too bad either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYUlNXwJ8fY&NR

(Manx Rally)

Martyn