Thread: CSR Permit System for 2007

yawn..

and who owned it when the lot before us invaded the space?

that argument holds water like a colander...

what makes the last lot more important than the lots before them?

Originally Posted by incisor

yawn..

and who owned it when the lot before us invaded the space?

that argument holds water like a colander...

what makes the last lot more important than the lots before them?

I could be wrong inc, but i think the native land owners in this area where never displaced and have owned and lived there since before europeans arrived and granted access for the track and mining.

Baz.

Originally Posted by 97discotdi

It is just like the Simson Desert Park Pass pay your money for what. Look I loved doing the Simson, but what is the pass for there is no services. It just appears an opportunity to extract money from people who have already spend a lot to be able to prepare themselves for remote area travel. What I feel needs to be done is the departments that excise these fees should be made accountable and disclose what the fees are spent on. That would make them S#!t,

i'm sure its a desert parks pass which covers all the deserts in south australia not just the simpson desert, for $100 i thought the info package was quite good however i had already brought a map.

i'm sure the fees cover things like singage and info baords at peopples corner, the free gas bbq's and toilets at places like chambers pillar, all the info boards along the oodnadatta track, the info at dig tree, clean up rubbish that travellers leave behind

i don't mind the user pay system so long they progressively improve/upgrade things

expect for upgrading the roads we dont want that
from kelvin

Originally Posted by disco_thrasher

expect for upgrading the roads we dont want that
from kelvin

yep i'll second that

from kelvin

Always a contentious issue this, but funny how it doesn't seem to be as contentious when a farmer closes access through or onto his land

How many times have you came to a locked gate and thought that's strange, says it's a road on the map

I'm all for the user pay system as well, but as Weeds says, they have to maintain it too if they expect you too pay.

Baz.

Originally Posted by Grizzly_Adams

* RANT ON *

Spoils to the victor, get over it.

* RANT OFF *

I work, I pay taxes, I own it.Simple.

Originally Posted by scrambler

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Gaarn. Go read some real history, the lot of you.

When we (meaning Europeans) came to this country, somebody else owned it, every last blade of grass. We took it off them by force, and the courts of this land have upheld that we did that LEGALLY, which is an interesting approach to take when you think about it.

Where we didn't take over their rights to THEIR land, they still own it. Yep, just like you OWN your back yard and can charge anyone whatever you want for the use of it. Or can have them charged with trespass.

Anything the Government does to grant permission for something overrides the traditional land ownership. Granting permission for geological surveying, road building or whatever, over-rides Native Title. So I would think the CSR would be hands-off when it comes to Native Title. But areas NOT part of the original survey, or now on land held in private hands under European-style ownership (whatever the colour of those hands) would be quite different to leasehold Crown lands.

Everybody is a minority of 1. I'm only renting the house I have, but I'll be buggered if you lot could all just take over whenever you want, just because there's more of you. How many people are involved in owning land, or denying use of certain areas, is irrelevent.

Get some proper education. Find about the HUNDREDS of separate nations, with defined boundaries, that existed in the Country before Europeans arrived. Learn about how land was owned by those nations but held in common for all citizens. THEN you can come back and try to argue about whether some bit of land should be held for "all Australians."

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So, my family has been in south east queensland for 150 years. One suburb carries the name of my relatives (Eatons hill). Can I claim that? I'd love to go back to farming the land

For the record, where exactly am I allowed to visit?