Thread: Geelong plant closure

Originally Posted by incisor

pretty simple really..

you arent supporting your employer in a way that you can then you cant cry crap when they dont support you when things arent rosy.. just because you dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt or wont happen...

No different to people that say and preach about a certain brand of computer and operating systerms
But sell other brands of computers and operating systerms
Bye the way if i ever lost my job i will not be upset or worry ill tell you now if they fold or offer a package ill jump after 13 years im ready for a change and life goes on
People think cause you have had a job for so long its the end of the world when the company moves on the company does not care for their workers they are made to show some effort of concern by the unions and goverment its more profit that is a concern to these multi national companys and there share holders

If it ever happens to me and it will at some stage i can have another job the next day if wanted its called multi skilled with tickets

Originally Posted by rangieman

No different to people that say and preach about a certain brand of computer and operating systerms
But sell other brands of computers and operating systerms

i sell em all :P

based on peoples needs and expectations...

I think we are missing a bit of the point. I dont buy nickel because we produce it. But do buy items produced downstrea.
600 people out of work in one hit especially if they are not skilled enough to enter another industry is not nice. Yes it does happen in every industry but is still not nice and often not really neccessary.
Our car industry get huge breaks from the government, so if taking stuff off shore should lose these.
Just watch a similar engine will come in from overseas shortly.
Mitsubishi have done it, now Ford, next probablly Holden.
Like I said with Mitsubishi if these conglomerates take their production off shore they should be taxed into oblivion unless there is genuinely no alternative.
If Holden or Ford made a decent locally produced 4x4, I would buy one, not the garbage they have on the market at the moment which are imports any way. I am generally talking about family car production such as Commodores, Falcons and Magnas.
Try and find another 600 positions for these people in any industry in the Geelong area, let alone the flow on job losses.
Yes Ford is a business and has the expectation to make money not lose it, but also has some community responsability.
Having said that I would not buy a Ford because they are a POS

Love our Statesman and Fender better.

Originally Posted by Quiggers

A question: What else does the plant at Geelong do? Or is it engines only?

GQ

Stamping and casting.
I read on ealier posts that the knock on effect will be 1200 its likely to be higher than that with a lot of small local firms supplying components and services into Ford.

Coming from Geelong and being passionate about manufacturing, it saddens me to see another part of local manufacturing closing down.

Originally Posted by incisor

i sell em all :P

based on peoples needs and expectations...

So your loyalty is to the man on the street with a pocket full of cash not to a certain manufactuer
No different to anyone else in buisness small or big
Or that person with a hole burning in their pocket that wants the best deal on a reliable product (in their opinion)
Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions on reliability with certain makes and brands and thats where their loyalty should be not a company that they work for and feel obligated to do so
Ive never had a new car in my life and are not in the market for one either

All the people i work with i could count on one hand in 13 years how many have bought new cars from holden not that they dont like them it also comes down to afordability for the people
If the company wanted workers to buy their product it would offer them a decent discount to encourage them to buy the product and then their car park would be full of their make maybe not new every year who could aford a new car every year on blue collar wages

Originally Posted by rangieman

So your loyalty is to the man on the street with a pocket full of cash not to a certain manufactuer
No different to anyone else in buisness small or big
Or that person with a hole burning in their pocket that wants the best deal on a reliable product (in their opinion)

yawn.....

stick your cynical notions where they belong..

i don't have your fixation on all things money, nothing i do is driven by money unfortunately for your argument...

i must be odd...

When I was at Uni I read the detail on the Button car plan. I can't recall it all now (20 years later!) but the essence was that they would lose something like 3/4 of the Australian car industry jobs to reduce the cost of cars by 20%. All tarrifs would reduce to essentially 0 (I think we are about to hit this level?) to make imports equal to locally produced cars.

In the 70's ALL the major players had Australian-built cars, with Holden and Ford having large, medium and small cars all locally manufactored. Then local assembly began to creep in and eventually (under the Button plan) rebadged imports.

We could have Australian-made cars if we raised import tarrifs, but that would offend someone's flat-earth principles.

As for whether AULROians drive Australian or imported cars, my Land Rovers are all Australian-made (well, at least assembled ) and the military ones had to meet Australian component quotas.

Originally Posted by incisor

yawn.....

stick your cynical notions where they belong..

i don't have your fixation on all things money, nothing i do is driven by money unfortunately for your argument...

i must be odd...

In your opinion only if i did have such a fixation with money as you state i would,nt be doing the job i do and i would,nt be married with children and all else that goes with life that costs a precious penny
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