If anyones interested, Hummer H3 Drive

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Originally Posted by Bush65

That would be a good reason for the wide track that humvees have.


There was a humvee in a group ahead of us, heading for Birdsville on the QAA line.

They had followed Madigans line, across the Simpson, we went down the Hay River.

The humvee was not as large as I had expected from only seeing pics before. They are wide, but even with 40" tyres, this one was considerably shorter than my disco.

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They are low in roof hight but that realy doesnt matter as it is ground clearence that matters and having independant front and rear with reduction cases outboard plus the 40" tyres gives great clearance.

From what Ive seen and Im not a expert on these things, I think Ive seen 3 H1's in my life but they have the engine and trans sitting up high in the body to keep all the running gear up in the chassis and the roof hight low to try to keep the COG as low as possible as well as the wide track for stability and tractability.

They are great in theory and for what they were designed for but I dont want one.

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Originally Posted by Bush65

There was a humvee in a group ahead of us, heading for Birdsville on the QAA line.

They had followed Madigans line, across the Simpson, we went down the Hay River.

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That Humvee on the Madigan Line earlier this year was a heavily modified 20 year old ex military one that has done at least 20 desert crossings. The owner is obviously very happy with its performance in the desert.
However, I don't think I'd like paying the fuel bills at a reported 25 l/100kms on the Madigan trip - I got 14.7 l/100kms from the Td5 Defender over about 850kms between Mt Dare and Birdsville.

I like the Humvee. It's something in between an Army 110 and a Unimog.

It is interesting to note that the US Army Rangers got rid of their Humvees to drive Land Rover RSOVs.

RSOV info:
The Ranger Special Operations Vehicle is a Land Rover design that was introduced after the Gulf War.
Produced by Land Rover's SVO (Special Vehicle Operations), the RSOV was designed as a rapid defensive fighting platform.
The RSOV is used not as an assault vehicle, but as a method for rapidly applying forces to key locations in the battlefield.
Impressed with its capabilities, the US Rangers bought 60 vehicles and dubbed them the Ranger Special Operations Vehicle.
Designed with a crew of three in mind, the RSOV carries a driver, gunner, and Leader/gunner.
It has a top mount that can be used to mount one of five different weapons (M-60, M240, M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun, Mk19 grenade launcher).
There is also a mount for a machine gun in the passengers side seat and capabilities to carry AT-4 or RAAWS (Ranger Anti-Armor Weapon System), which is the 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless Rifle.
The Rangers have three main types of RSOV, the weapons carrier, Medical vehicle, or Communications vehicle.
As a weapons carrier it can carry up to 8,000 lbs and six fully armed Rangers.
Based on the 110 Land Rover Chassis, the RSOV is powered by a four cylinder turbocharged engine with plenty of power and torque for hauling loads around the battlefield.
It is compact enough to fit inside a CH-47 Chinook (as well as European EH-101 helicopter) and C-130 Hercules cargo plane and can be sling-loaded underneath Chinooks or Blackhawks.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

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Originally Posted by Gromit68

I like the Humvee. It's something in between an Army 110 and a Unimog.

It is interesting to note that the US Army Rangers got rid of their Humvees to drive Land Rover RSOVs.

RSOV info:
The Ranger Special Operations Vehicle is a Land Rover design that was introduced after the Gulf War.
Produced by Land Rover's SVO (Special Vehicle Operations), the RSOV was designed as a rapid defensive fighting platform.
The RSOV is used not as an assault vehicle, but as a method for rapidly applying forces to key locations in the battlefield.
Impressed with its capabilities, the US Rangers bought 60 vehicles and dubbed them the Ranger Special Operations Vehicle.
Designed with a crew of three in mind, the RSOV carries a driver, gunner, and Leader/gunner.
It has a top mount that can be used to mount one of five different weapons (M-60, M240, M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun, Mk19 grenade launcher).
There is also a mount for a machine gun in the passengers side seat and capabilities to carry AT-4 or RAAWS (Ranger Anti-Armor Weapon System), which is the 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless Rifle.
The Rangers have three main types of RSOV, the weapons carrier, Medical vehicle, or Communications vehicle.
As a weapons carrier it can carry up to 8,000 lbs and six fully armed Rangers.
Based on the 110 Land Rover Chassis, the RSOV is powered by a four cylinder turbocharged engine with plenty of power and torque for hauling loads around the battlefield.
It is compact enough to fit inside a CH-47 Chinook (as well as European EH-101 helicopter) and C-130 Hercules cargo plane and can be sling-loaded underneath Chinooks or Blackhawks.

http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/images/rsov.jpg

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So what 4cyl diesel do they run in them? Is it a 200 or 300 TDI or like a 2.8 Inter or Isuzu etc?

Are they still in use or being made for them or was that back in the 90's?

I can see why they would prefer the LR over the H1, imagine trying to fit all that in an H1 and still get in and out.

"There was a humvee in a group ahead of us, heading for Birdsville on the QAA line.

They had followed Madigans line, across the Simpson, we went down the Hay River.

The humvee was not as large as I had expected from only seeing pics before. They are wide, but even with 40" tyres, this one was considerably shorter than my disco."


That was my dad's. It is only around 4.5 metres long but has a 130 inch wheelbase. It runs 37" tyres not 40's.


"That Humvee on the Madigan Line earlier this year was a heavily modified 20 year old ex military one that has done at least 20 desert crossings. The owner is obviously very happy with its performance in the desert.
However, I don't think I'd like paying the fuel bills at a reported 25 l/100kms on the Madigan trip - I got 14.7 l/100kms from the Td5 Defender over about 850kms between Mt Dare and Birdsville."

It has done 2 desert crossings but the driver has done 20+. I has been converted to right hand drive has the four speed out of a civilian one and has been set up for touring storage etc. The fuel consumption was comparable to the toyota traytop and the Gu that was with them. It gets 15.5 litres per 100km on the road with a shipshape on the roof and the aerodynamics of a house brick. Which way did you cross the desert? It's a shame that the owners of very misunderstood vehicles such as Landies and Rangies do exactly the same thing to other makes when they do not have the experience to back it up. Everyone is entitled to an opinion though.
I spent the day in the watagans yesterday with 3 civilian hummers yesterday and they are quite a capable vehicle when in right hands. The H1 is based on the silverado ute and the H3 is based on a modular platform. They are not worthy of the Hummer name in many enthusaists minds. The same could be said of Freelanders in many Landy owners minds.

Thomas

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Originally Posted by TJS-70Y

"There was a humvee in a group ahead of us, heading for Birdsville on the QAA line.

They had followed Madigans line, across the Simpson, we went down the Hay River.

The humvee was not as large as I had expected from only seeing pics before. They are wide, but even with 40" tyres, this one was considerably shorter than my disco."


That was my dad's. It is only around 4.5 metres long but has a 130 inch wheelbase. It runs 37" tyres not 40's.


"That Humvee on the Madigan Line earlier this year was a heavily modified 20 year old ex military one that has done at least 20 desert crossings. The owner is obviously very happy with its performance in the desert.
However, I don't think I'd like paying the fuel bills at a reported 25 l/100kms on the Madigan trip - I got 14.7 l/100kms from the Td5 Defender over about 850kms between Mt Dare and Birdsville."

It has done 2 desert crossings but the driver has done 20+. I has been converted to right hand drive has the four speed out of a civilian one and has been set up for touring storage etc. The fuel consumption was comparable to the toyota traytop and the Gu that was with them. It gets 15.5 litres per 100km on the road with a shipshape on the roof and the aerodynamics of a house brick. Which way did you cross the desert? It's a shame that the owners of very misunderstood vehicles such as Landies and Rangies do exactly the same thing to other makes when they do not have the experience to back it up. Everyone is entitled to an opinion though.
I spent the day in the watagans yesterday with 3 civilian hummers yesterday and they are quite a capable vehicle when in right hands. The H1 is based on the silverado ute and the H3 is based on a modular platform. They are not worthy of the Hummer name in many enthusaists minds. The same could be said of Freelanders in many Landy owners minds.

Thomas

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I don't understand what I said that you have apparently taken offense at - you quoted me at the top of your post :confused:

I spoke briefly with your father, and to one of the others in his group at Birdsville. I had a look over the humvee in the caravan park - my memory of the tyre size is obviously flawed.

As I said the humvee was not as large as I expected from only see pics before. They look very large in pics because of the proportions of width to height, which is why I specifically said that they are not as tall as other vehicles we are used to. I never meant that as a criticism. I do think discos are too high and my bushie is far too high.

As for your question. As I said - down the Hay River (North to South). Was a cake walk and much easier than the early season Madigan line crossing.

One reason I was keen to speak with your father's group is that I plan to follow Madigan's line next year.

I wasn't in the Watagans this WE, but spent most of Sunday in the Sugarloaf area, where I found the width of the disco a handicap. And a highlux with me had more trouble again manouevring between trees on the bypasses around the many fallen trees (from May-June Storms).

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Originally Posted by sclarke

Well ive been into motorsports of different kinds for about 15 years and ive done some crazy stuff, but to do rocky with little experiance would scare the Sheit out most people... most would not even attempt it....
one mistake and you go over...

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I drove Rocky as the first track on a trip with guys from D2AU....

No lockers, all terrains....:banana:

You just gotta know how to drive :TIC:

I had a look over an H3 yesterday and I honestly believe that at $50-something-K they are going to sell tons of them. The things are bling-ed-up with chrome and brushed aluminium trim from here to Tuesday and the ride height plus Hummer family detailing will make it a seriously attractive proposition for the metro-**** brigade.

With actual, real dealers in most capital cities and national marketting presence, they will outsell the new Defender 100-to-1 (not that there is a direct comparison between them, I'm just trying to make the thread relevant here). I am interested to see what this is going to do for Hummer's badge appeal when hundreds of these start to hit the roads. They are going to lose their exclusivity for sure and then people may start scrutinising them for their abilities (good or otherwise), not just their brand.

My impression - it's like a reverse Tardis - smaller inside than they look on the outside. The narrow side windows make you feel like you're in a letterbox, but a very comfortable one at that. I do intend taking one for a test drive - only out of curiosity mind you. Until they release a diesel version it's not really worth a second look.

There's a big 'write up' on the H3 in the Sydney Morning Herald of last Saturday 6/10/7.

5 cyl petrol donk, rear leaf springs, not big inside, and compared to a Territory and a Prado...

Prices from $52k to about $60k plus on road...

at that price, it will sell, as it has the 'look'....

the tricky t'fer case and the locker rear diff is an option... so you can have an onroad or offroad vers...

GQ

Sorry John no offence taken I was just clearing up the Tyre size and the question of fuel consumption was not aimed at yourself. Sorry for the hijack. I understand what you mean about the size though. There was a bit of backing and filling to get through some tight spot's with them.