Series Landies

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

John

It was a quote from someone I respect with knowledge on the subject and will have to find the source document.

That said, by the start of the 86" model the essential configuration was set for the next almost 20 years initially and in some respects for a long time after.

• Selectable 4WD
• spring widths and lengths
• Dash panel/firewall layout
• Steering box mounting.

At the start of the Series 2 the body design was set and was essentially the same even today. It is why you can take the read door off a 1959 station wagon and fit it to a Defender 110 extreme.

The changes along the way have mostly been tinkering and incremental.

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Yes, I suppose it all depends on what you call a change - for example, is the gradual change to Unified Threads from BS threads a change for each bolt? Surely not, but as the change started with the Series 2 and was incomplete when the Series 3 ended, it is hardly only one change either! And all these incremental changes add up to an awful lot of changes.

But I have to agree that most of the substantial changes had been made by the time the 86 was introduced.

John

Until I know, the Series IA doesn't exist. But in the Series I exist 80", 86" ...

Now some pics about them ... here in Colombia ...

This is 1.949 80"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3...riei483il2.jpg
... here next to my 'diógenes' Serie IIA Santana (Spanish made) ...
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1...riei482ot7.jpg

This is 1.951 80", in restauration process ...
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7825/img0132cs4.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4857/img0141qb1.jpg
This is of the same year, but it is in a town near to Bogotá ...
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/822...madrid1jl2.jpg
... it name is 'rené' :D:D:D

This is 1.955 86"
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8...jirai89bj2.jpg
... betwen others Series ...
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See how the front change with the years ...

Obviously, the Series II, IIA and III are more big. But the Series II in the exterior is equal to the Serie IIA Santana (like mine), but in the English version the capot is different (little round). The Serie III Santana was born in 1.974.

Here in Colombia the majority Land Rover are Santana.

Did you ever see the documentary on the (1972) British Trans-America Expedition done with several Range Rovers in the early 1970's. Part way through the Darien Gap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_gap) the team went an bought a Series Land Rover to bash a track for the Range Rovers to follow.

I believe the Land Rover was a Santana. (Wrong too early for a Santana)

Now of course if the Pan American Highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_...erican_Highway was complete there would be no need for four wheel drive.

Diana

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Originally Posted by k1000o

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Obviously, the Series II, IIA and III are more big. But the Series II in the exterior is equal to the Serie IIA Santana (like mine), but in the English version the capot is different (little round). The Serie III Santana was born in 1.974.

Here in Colombia the majority Land Rover are Santana.

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I don't recognise the word capot - but I'm guessing it is what in English would be "bonnet" ("Hood" in American), delving into my Latin from fifty years ago.

The rounded front bonnet is the "deluxe" bonnet, optional equipment from some time in Series 2a production and becoming standard equipment at least in some markets by late Series 3 time. For example, my 1970 2a did not have one, although it does now thanks to a 1981 donor.

John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

The rounded front bonnet is the "deluxe" bonnet, optional equipment from some time in Series 2a production and becoming standard equipment at least in some markets by late Series 3 time... ...John

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The deluxe bonnets were standard equipment on the 109 station wagons from their introduction in Series 2 and optional on other models. It sits higher than the standard bonnet. There are two types one without the spare wheel carrier and a second version with a recess for the spare wheel.

I have only seen the non-recessed type on the very early station wagons, so perhaps the recessed one was a later addition?

Diana

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The deluxe bonnets were standard equipment on the 109 station wagons from their introduction in Series 2 and optional on other models. It sits higher than the standard bonnet. There are two types one without the spare wheel carrier and a second version with a recess for the spare wheel.

I have only seen the non-recessed type on the very early station wagons, so perhaps the recessed one was a later addition?

Diana

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Interestingly, the Series 2a parts book (RTC9840CC) only lists the deluxe bonnet - either with (MRC2440) or without (MRC2479) the recess, with a remark about fittings "For earlier standard bonnet".

This suggests that the standard bonnet ended with the Series 2.

But certainly there were 2as supplied with the standard bonnet, the same as there were suffix Gs supplied with the close set headlights. (e.g. my suffix G on both counts, and the suffix A I owned in the sixties had a standard bonnet, and I have the remains of two other suffix B & C 2a 88s here with standard bonnets).

John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Interestingly, the Series 2a parts book (RTC9840CC) only lists the deluxe bonnet - either with (MRC2440) or without (MRC2479) the recess, with a remark about fittings "For earlier standard bonnet".

This suggests that the standard bonnet ended with the Series 2. ...John

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John

My Part number 608024 Jan 1972 Series 2/2a Parts Catalogue list all three bonnets.

• 337963 Standard bonnet (flat lip)
• 337951 Deluxe bonnet (rounded front lip no recess)
• 337957 Deluxe bonnet (rounded lip recessed)

My 1971 109" UK Assembled suffix g outside headlamps hard top, had the 337951 bonnet and the PMC Aussie assembled series 3 109" my friend Bob has down at Warriewood has the 337963 bonnet (although it probably has a different part number by then). So it is interesting that this standard bonnet is not listed in the S3 parts book.

I wonder if it was a CKD thing for both Santana and PMC Enfield? We do know that PMC pressed and assembled their own panels, this may be one of them.

Diana

P.S. Of course someone could have changed the bonnet to the earlier type sometime during the Warriwood S3's life.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

John

My Part number 608024 Jan 1972 Series 2/2a Parts Catalogue list all three bonnets.

• 337963 Standard bonnet (flat lip)
• 337951 Deluxe bonnet (rounded front lip no recess)
• 337957 Deluxe bonnet (rounded lip recessed)

My 1971 109" UK Assembled suffix g outside headlamps hard top, had the 337951 bonnet and the PMC Aussie assembled series 3 109" my friend Bob has down at Warriewood has the 337963 bonnet (although it probably has a different part number by then). So it is interesting that this standard bonnet is not listed in the S3 parts book.

I wonder if it was a CKD thing for both Santana and PMC Enfield? We do know that PMC pressed and assembled their own panels, this may be one of them.

Diana

P.S. Of course someone could have changed the bonnet to the earlier type sometime during the Warriwood S3's life.

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The catalogue I was quoting is the Series 2a one, but I just checked the S3 - it only lists the same numbers as the 2a one. I think the difference is that you have the 2/2a catalogue, I have the 2a one, and a late one (April 1987) at that.

But I think you may well be right about the locally pressed panels - if PMC were pressing the bonnets (and it is one of the obvious ones for them to do) it would explain the continuation of the standard bonnets, to be replaced by the deluxe initially only on the imported stationwagons, but I suspect later about 1980 they became a required part for pedestrian protection (which is probably where they came from originally). Probably never pressed locally. The same sort of reasoning would have applied to Santana - they would also have found the bonnet an obvious part to start making, and have been reluctant to change it.

John

Hi Camilo
Great shots The grey one looks to be a later model going by the headligts ?
Maybe 1951?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

The catalogue I was quoting is the Series 2a one, but I just checked the S3 - it only lists the same numbers as the 2a one. I think the difference is that you have the 2/2a catalogue, I have the 2a one, and a late one (April 1987) at that.

But I think you may well be right about the locally pressed panels - if PMC were pressing the bonnets (and it is one of the obvious ones for them to do) it would explain the continuation of the standard bonnets, to be replaced by the deluxe initially only on the imported stationwagons, but I suspect later about 1980 they became a required part for pedestrian protection (which is probably where they came from originally). Probably never pressed locally. The same sort of reasoning would have applied to Santana - they would also have found the bonnet an obvious part to start making, and have been reluctant to change it.

John

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The Australian Army Series 3's through to 1981 builds had the "standard" flat lip bonnet, though I noted that the famous "pink panthers" have a "deluxe" bonnet despite being military issue.

Seems to me to be some supportive evidence for the local pressing theory.