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  1. 29th October 2007, 11:13 PM #1
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    convoy discipline....

    not sure if this is a whinge, tech tip, or something else so here it is...

    as part of the last trip (and some others IVe been on) everyone makes use of convoy discipline as used in the ADF.

    the last trip showed pretty good use of it... but theres always some room for improvement. Ive read in a couple of threads about education trips for guys who dont have the experience in offroad driving and have often wondered if convoy driving is actually covered on these or not.

    my 3 bug bears of convoy driving...

    1. the headlights thing....

    turn em on yes... its all good being able to see the vehicles lights behind you but when you can see the vehicle behind you without its lights on turn them off. If your vehicle develops a minor but drivable problem that you need to fix turn your lights off, keep driving. When the vehicle in front of you spots the fact that your lights are off it will daisy chain up to the lead vehicle and he'll find somewhere safe to pull over and the problem can be sorted. If your vehicle dies pull over, all but tail end charlie will pass you and tail end charlie will pull over find out whats wrong and proceed with his headlights off.


    2. The tailgaiting thing. IF you loose sight of the vehicle in front of you do not speed up they should slow down and allow you to catch up.... This is especially important when off roading as you can wind up the clacker of the vehicle in front thats done a stop and prop to do a visual on an obstacle infront.

    3. Stop and props.

    These are usually initiated by the lead vehicle but can be done by any vehicle where needed... say your about to enter an obstacle you stop and wait till the next vehicle is just about on top of you then you slowly move off and procede through the obstacle when you get clear use a prearranged signal if its needed ( I blink the hazards twice) and then continute on each vehice in turn preforms this and the whole convoy can move quite quickly through an obstacle. Of course its not always required to have an exit signal, a predefinition of an obstacle or prop point is all thats needed (I use the errosion control humps as a prop point because its possable to have a vehicle stopped on one without the brakes on and in no danger of rolling away) Ditto for turns they're just another version of a prop point you stop, indicate where your going to go and wait till the next vehicle is almost ontop of you, as you move off they should turn their indicator off and stop in the same place you did. of course with an experienced set of drivers prop points become rolling halts and everything gets faster.


    hope that doesnt get up too many peoples noses.
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    I have used convoy procedure for ages but had not heard of the lights off issue, so thank you for that.

    Although on most of the convoys I have been in for a long time always had a dedicated tail end Charlie, someone who knew the route and even with gate opening and closing they would remain the tail.

    What happened with gates (even with radios) the second vehicle pulled in after the gate, would wait then close the gate and would join the convoy ahead of tail end Charlie.

    The other issue was spreading winch equipped vehicles evenly through the convoy.

    I guess it doesn't matter what procedures you follow as long as everyone knows what the procedure of the day is.

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    yeah done the gates procedure before and front to rear ignoring the leader and TEC always works well....

    I always love the way that the last few convoy drives ive done with the military the medics mechanics and wreckers have always been up at the pointy end of the convoy....

    ocifers.... cant live withem, cant teach some of em and your not allowed to shoot em.
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    echelon should always be towards the rear. We always used to have the wrecker/arvl/fitters close to the back so they could fix things when someone broke down.

    Your convoy orders must have come from someone in transport.
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    not sure if this is a whinge, tech tip, or something else so here it is...

    as part of the last trip (and some others IVe been on) everyone makes use of convoy discipline as used in the ADF.

    the last trip showed pretty good use of it... but theres always some room for improvement. Ive read in a couple of threads about education trips for guys who dont have the experience in offroad driving and have often wondered if convoy driving is actually covered on these or not.
    Mate, I'd probably have to go with whinge on this one. I think it depends on the company you are out with for the day. Taking say the GCLRO, the majority of members will do anywhere from 5-10+ trips per year, where convoy procedure is discussed in Driver Training and then adhered to on trips, whether 2-10+ vehicles.

    Other trips, say joint trips whether it is more of a leisure day, a lot of newbies will come along plus people who may rarely go in large groups, so maybe unfamiliar. Headlights on convoy is important on the road, off road also important but again depends on the experience of those around you. We may follow strict convoy procedures say on a trip to Fraser Island. But once we are there and off traveling after set up, we maybe in convoy but most likely not with lights on for example....just depends.

    Bug bears get ironed out when people become experienced and that has to be taken into account,

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    funny that being in a transport unit at the time....

    I much prefer the RAAF orders Im getting...


    From here to there

    fuel here here and here...

    this sort of general direction...

    keep up, pass me I'll charge ya.

    good luck.
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    A bit anal for normal 4x4 convoys. Easiest way is to make sure lead vehicle and tail vehicles have UHF radios in working condition and in range. Preferablly all vehicles should have a UHF.
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    thats what its there for, not all vehicles have radios...

    Radios dont always work and you cant always get a clear, kid friendly channel.
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  9. 30th October 2007, 07:05 AM #9
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    Some good points there, Dave

    Good thing we did not have the turn off headlights rule, half the time I forgot to turn them back on until Incisor mentioned it over the radio. Mind you I had the problem in the Army as well

    The RAAF convoy orders are what the Jaguar Club use, and there is always some goose in an E-Type who pass the leader, just because they can. I think that mob would iritate you
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    Probably a bit over the top for my liking, never heard of the headlights thing (not necessarily saying, it's not a good idea though).

    So long as everyone keeps a good eye out for the guy behind them, then all should be OK. Trip leader and tail-ender should both have a good knowledge of the route.

    Trips I've been on have all worked this way and there haven't been any issues.

    Combined with radio if available then all works OK


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