Why Do We Have Crashes

G'day Folks :)

What an interesting read this has become, with lots of differing opions, what may be a way to help to cut the road toll and accident(crash) rate is to make it compulsory to undertake an advanced/defensive driving course/examination at the end of the 1st year of "P" plates, then if in the 2nd year there are no infringements/accidents then and only then, would a full license be isued, this would have to be Australia wide and start at the same time and for ALL newly issued "P" licenses regardless to age of driver or country of origin.

my 2nd 5cents worth, this could get expensive ;)



cheers

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Originally Posted by 100I

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All very 'Blues Brothers':).

I have to Mod my Landie, I'm on a mission from God...

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So now when a Land Rover "enthusiast" talks about restoration, does that mean that he is returning the blessed sacraments to his conveyance.

Can someone with a more theological bent explain what are the 7 rites of passage of a Land Rover? :angel::angel:

Diana

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Originally Posted by BigJon

Getting 120 hours of driving experience being told what to do by someone who is more than likely a bad driver themselves :eek:.

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Even if the parent (or whoever it may be) said nothing, its still steering wheel in hand, foot on the accelerator type of experience. I used my parent-instructed time to get used to handling a car, traffic, wet roads etc. My road rules knowlege and other important bits came from the paid instructor (as they should).

Unfortunatley, most learners can't afford 10 or more paid lessons (let alone 120 hours of paid lessons :o). Parents are not always willing to help out, as the "fend for youself, save up for lessons and your fisrt car" idea usually applies. So its a handfull of lessons and a test, fail once or twice from lack of experience, and you still get your licence in 2-3 months.

The guy i talked about earlier wrote off that first car after having his licence 2 days!!! Going sideways around a corner in the wet. Hit a bridge.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

So now when a Land Rover "enthusiast" talks about restoration, does that mean that he is returning the blessed sacraments to his conveyance.

Can someone with a more theological bent explain what are the 7 rites of passage of a Land Rover? :angel::angel:

Diana

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I know I've called His name a few times over the years under the cars....

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Originally Posted by UncleHo

G'day Folks :)

What an interesting read this has become, with lots of differing opions, what may be a way to help to cut the road toll and accident(crash) rate is to make it compulsory to undertake an advanced/defensive driving course/examination at the end of the 1st year of "P" plates, then if in the 2nd year there are no infringements/accidents then and only then, would a full license be isued, this would have to be Australia wide and start at the same time and for ALL newly issued "P" licenses regardless to age of driver or country of origin.
my 2nd 5cents worth, this could get expensive ;)

cheers

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Advanced/defensive driving courses and formal training are popularly seen as a solution but unfortunately the research suggests that they don't help.

From this source:

http://www.qoh.com.au/pdfview/view/117

Despite decades of research indicating driver education does not reduce crash involvement among beginning drivers, it still has tremendous popular appeal as a means to improve driver safety.

And this:

When the young driver problem is addressed in public forums, there inevitably is an appeal for more or better driver education. Several comprehensive international reviews of the best scientific evaluations of driver education programs for young beginners all come to the same conclusion: There is no difference in the crash records of driver education graduates compared with equivalent groups of beginners who learned to drive without formal education..."

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APPENDIX M

Reviews of evaluation studies have found no evidence that either advanced or defensive driving courses reduce the accident involvement of those who attend.

Graduated licencing apparently shows more promising results.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Advanced/defensive driving courses and formal training are popularly seen as a solution but unfortunately the research suggests that they don't help. ...
... URL="http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/rsc/DEMERIT/append/apmrevi.htm"]APPENDIX M[/URL]
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Reviews of evaluation studies have found no evidence that either advanced or defensive driving courses reduce the accident involvement of those who attend.

Graduated licencing apparently shows more promising results.

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All that data is very interesting, there is a school of thought (hypothesis if you like) that many graduates of "advanced driver training courses' are actually more dangerous because they have qualified as advanced drivers.

I wonder if the research has been done to determine whether the behaviours and attitudes of those who do these type or courses, before doing the course of are a sample from the same "population" or did they in-fact come from a different "population" of attitudes and behaviours?

Must see if I can find something on it!

Diana

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

All that data is very interesting, there is a school of thought (hypothesis if you like) that many graduates of "advanced driver training courses' are actually more dangerous because they have qualified as advanced drivers.

I wonder if the research has been done to determine whether the behaviours and attitudes of those who do these type or courses, before doing the course of are a sample from the same "population" or did they in-fact come from a different "population" of attitudes and behaviours?

Must see if I can find something on it!

Diana

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That's quite feasible. I chipped an off duty cop a couple of weeks ago for tailgating me.

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Originally Posted by 100I

I know I've called His name a few times over the years under the cars....

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Rite 1 - Thou'st may use'th His name in vain when'st thou ar't engage'th in thine labour on one's devine conveyance!

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Before I did a trip through NT and WA I was told horror stories about road trains and read about how careful you need to be passing or overtaking them.

My experience was just the opposite. I had no problem at all with road trains. That was partly because of the way I dealt with them and partly because of the commonsense and courtesy of the road train drivers.

On dirt roads I could see them coming from some distance away, so I simple pulled well off the road and waited for the dust to settle.

On sealed highways, I had no problem overtaking them, they were all driving faster than I was.

It was the way that they overtook me that impressed me. It wasn't really an option for me to pull off the road. I worked on the principle that as long as my behaviour was predictable and I didn't suddenly slow down to force them to overtake, they would be able to choose their moment to overtake.

It all seemed to work quite smoothly. They would gradually gain on me and if the road ahead was not clear, they would slowly drop back and then gain on me again to get momentum to overtake when the road was clear. That let them choose their moment to overtake.

I assumed that as the road train drivers didn't tailgate me or indicate in any way that they disapproved of my behaviour that this was the way to handle the situation. I'm sure the truck drivers on the forum will put me right if I am mistaken.

The important thing is that the road train drivers were careful, considerate and safe; the opposite of what I had been led to expect.

I have no way of knowing whether the drivers I encountered were typical of the vast majority of road train drivers or the exception. I like to think they were typical.

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You did it right, makes my job easier. Channel 40 UHF if you want to comunicate. I notice you are retired, ever thought about being a part-time driving instructor?

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Originally Posted by BigJon

You shouldn't "turn into a slide".

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Ambiguous, you may both be right. Consider; car turning left, oversteers ie. back of the car sliding to the right, steer to the right to correct. I can see how that can be termed turning into the slide. At least she didn't slam the brake on, a typical reaction!