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Not wonder that the Aus arm forces are going to Mercedes Benz :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavie
Mate you should ask for some compensation or go to current affairs :mad:
This is not bad service this is an appalling behavior by LR.
Why you do not ask ORC1 in this forum what he is going to do ?
If nothing happens, then we know for sure the LR position.
Cheers
What problems have you had? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavie
The armed forces had no choice really... LR didnt tender...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chucaro
The contract was supply of ALL types of gear, from "small to Mog" sorta deal...
As for problems with a brand new defender...
The golden rule - Don't buy the 1st release of ANY vehicle
Mate, get realistic!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chucaro
He's an engineer...
He has NO influence on PAG Australia....
And has NO influence on Sales and Marketing....
You may remember Holden & Ford have also had major issues with 1st release vehicles.... Lots of dealer time to fix them too...
Like it or not, the motoring public of the world become Beta testers on all new vehicle runs.. Regardless of OEM production testing....
RonQuote:
Originally Posted by p38arover
What is the point of ORC1 attempting to improve the Terrain Response and other technology if there are now 20% less dealers in the entire country than there was just in NSW during the 1950's.
Even in my home town of Nowra on the coastal strip of NSW 100 miles from Sydney, I have to travel nearly 60 miles to get to my first LR dealer.
Diana
Not that I disagree in with this sentiment in general - but I have 9,0000km on my new Defender - no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by tombraider
The 07 Fender has been out for a year now (what a revelation!) - and on all forums I have found- well, the number of issues doesn't appear to be huge.
I'm the first to accept I'm a novice in Land Rover Land - but my experience has been nothing short of majestic with my new car. :)
I guess my point is - I'm just a bit surprised at the negativity toward the LR product in a general sense. :(
No, I'm surprised by the complaining too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Scallops
If I can comfortably sit my 6' 1" x VERY VERY fat **** / gut etc in a defender and drive it 900kms per week comfortably then I dont get the issue...
If I wanted a wider / longer / smoother / WHATever....
I'd look at another vehicle choice.... Simple....
I love the brand, I love the technology etc.... But if none suited my needs I'd look at other offerings...
In my case, the D1 did the job, then the Defender did it better....
Now the Disco 2 is what I need.... Does everything needed for my lifestyle and where I live and choose to travel...
Will a D3 or RRS cut it in the near future? Who knows.... The 2012 defender is on my mind....
Will analyse my needs when the time comes....
As for oil leaks etc... Never been an issue that wasnt a product of a BS Adelaide Dealership...
None of the Landies I've owned leaked until the stealer had a play....:(
My view is LR Australia is the biggest problem here. (ie Sales, Advertising, Services, and Spare Parts)
This is why in Aus there are many importing companys (to bypass LR Aus) and other aftermark 4wd stores.
For example the bull bars LR sell are for UK, safer for poeple walking but here are crap for cattle & kangeroos.
You should get the dealers to smitted a history sheet (like service log) covering mods and after market equipment
owners have fitted and send this info back to LR HQ when dealers carry out services.
And use the information for these sales areas/country.
I am realistic, in John Deere the service department and engineeringQuote:
Originally Posted by tombraider
have a lot to say in how marketing operates. That is the way that a company should run because the mistakes of one department affect the rest.
I have experience with German companies and they operate like John Deere.
You have to be realistic, $ 54000 does not grow on trees and is the right of any consumer to expect the product to be finished and serviced properly.
I like Land Rover products but just because I like them I am not going to accept crap service or bad manufacturing.
They expect you as an owner to comply with a strict service to be able to claim warranty problems, well, you as a consumer have the right to expect that when the vehicle is delivered it already went through a strict quality control and delivery inspection.
My Defender is a good unit 4wd wise, but there are things that drive me mad.
Some of them may have been sorted on the new model, or made even worse.
I want two batteries, large N70 size, fitted N-S under passenger seat, without the annoying roll floor.
The entire space under driver's seat available for storage or to house radio gear. That is multiple radios, around five is what I run to..
The computer to go in RH front guard area - you call it a wing.
The rain gutters must stay, but be a bit wider so that the rain can get past the roof bar legs and not run in behind the roof lining to end up on your legs.
The gutters to wrap around the windscreen "A" pillar so that water runs down away from an open door.
The front air vents to actually seal when closed.
Cool air for the leg area would be good.
All doors to seal aganst water ingress when fording rivers, up to bonnet level.
No holes in under-seat storage areas - battery case to be sealable when fording, vented under normal use.
The standard body lift jack to be replaced with a bottle jack, with under rear seat or in engine bay storage - LH wing?
Tool/parts storage also in both front wings.
Bigger fuel tanks, plus provision for water tanks under rear guards.
Lockers under side sills.
A stiffer rear edge to the bonnet.
A gas strut to assist with the bonnet, especially when carrying a second spare up there.
Long side steps that let you put your shoe/boot in under side skirt.
Taller and therefore better AM/FM radio antenna.
Stronger rear door to absorb spare wheel bounce/ or a 4 point mount rear carrier with articulation so that you can open the carrier past a caravan/boat nose.
Any computer to have either a limp-home mode or to have dummy plugs to bypass problematic sensors.
No fuel pumps to be sited inside a fuel tank.
Incorporate proper and substantial mounting lugs just in front of the steering damper for front tow bar when and if required.
The Australian wiring loom differs from that published in the manual. Provide details, and full drawings
Upgrade the fuses and wiring for the lighting to allow trailer and extra rear fittings. N.B. Australian vehicles do not use repeater relays.
Install relays in all front headlight circuits.
Upgrade the headlight switches - the Defender switches fail.
Give more leg room to the passengers, both in front and rear.
Let the rear seat poassengers see out the front without crouching in their seats.
We need quicker acting heaters.
We need more power - the 300tdi is just way too slow on the open road.
That will do for starters.
Rovers4