Thread: Land Rover Engineer Requires Info

yep but compared to some stuff on civvy vehicles like say the front drive axles on a 110 that as stock are only rated to 120% of total vehicle load and fail at about 150%.. (talking comercial and multi engine planes here)

and youve got how many hydraulic systems controling the one control surface and how many fuel tanks (with how many fuel pumps)
and how many engines run electrical generation gear?
and youve got an APU
and youve got the RAT (on some planes)


I dream of being allowed to have a permissable workable tolerance of 150% with a break point over the 200% mark. With that allowability I could make you a landrover that you could never break with normal use in standard trim if you didnt go over the allowable loading limits.

I've only just stumbled over this thread.

Toyota already had a good 6 cyl, turbo diesel in their landcruisers, but after they changed to the new common rail diesel (to meet future emmision requirements) of about 4.5 litres, they apparently can't keep up with orders.

What did Land Rover do? They put a puny 2.4 litre engine in the 2007 Defender!!!

The best selling 4x4 in Australia is the Toyota Hilux. A commercial trayback/utility workhorse. The current turbo diesel is not a bad engine.

In Australia, more 4x4 hilux's are sold in one or two weeks than all model Land Rover combined in a year.

What did Land Rover do? They stopped the 110 trayback/utility!!!

Compare published figures for Hilux and Defender 130 duel cabs

Price: Hilux $40,890 to Defender $51,990 - Hilux 1, Defender nil
Engine capacity: Hilux 3 litre to Defender 2.4 litre - Hilux 2, Defender nil
Power: Hilux 126kW, Defender 90kW - Hilux 3, Defender nil
Torque: Hilux 343 Nm to Defender 360 Nm - Hilux 3, Defender 1
Weight to Power: Hilux 14.8 kg/kW to Defender 23.5 kg/kW - H 4, D 1
Economy: Hilux 8.5 L/100km to Defender 11.1 L/km - H 5, D 1

On these figures, Defender only topped the Hilux in engine torque, but it was only marginal and the Defender is a heavier vehicle.

75 litre fuel capacity in Land Rovers!!! What a cruel joke! My diesel rangie will have well over 200 litre capacity.

Land Rover transmission and drivetrain strength (lack of), is the laughing stock of the 4x4 world!!!

Land Rover support!!! Another cruel joke!!!

A popular 4x4 magazine regularly publish new 4x4 vehicle sales. IIRC, they list the top 10 in the major classes. Land Rover don't make these lists any more!!! Apparently any upstart Asian maker that decides to enter the 4x4 market will easily outsell Land Rover.

My 1st 4x4 was a Toyota Landcruiser FJ40. I have only had Land Rovers since, starting with a rangie from sometime back in mid to late 1970's.

I can't imagine Land Rover building what I want. Despite this Land Rover person's requests in this thread, Land Rover will not have enough vision to build what is needed in Australia.

I'm modifying what I have now, into what I want. My disco will go, and my rangie and bushie will have to do me until I can't drive any more.

Originally Posted by ORC1

Thanks for all your comments and PMs, they are very helpful. I will get around to replying to them all in turn, just give me a few days to clear my inbox.

I would really like some more comments on Terrain Response on the newer vehicles, let me know what you think about it's function.

Cheers

Loz

I've never understood why anyone would have/want Terrain Response.

If they do need or want it (presumably because they can't drive a 4x4, or else don't like the exertion of changing gear, locking diffs etc.), why don't they just take the next logical step and stay home and watch it on a dvd.

I'll wager those people wouldn't have enough experience/knowledge to air down tyres, carry recovery gear and know how to use it - they should stay home and watch a dvd.

Why can't Land Rover produce something we don't have and do need?

Keep the live axle's and don't go to ifs!!

I know people are going to abuse me, but if a new defender came out with a spring based independent suspension, with a good travel length and low unsprung mass, I would buy it. People that winge about independent havent had a close up at Baja cars, or similar, because its practical and impressive. BUT needs tall(er) tyres, Ie match the patrol's arch space (to ensure safety of the outer end of the lower wishbone).

I have no problems with Terrain response, Those that dont want it will not want a stock vehicle anyhow. TR is amazing, obviously all 3 diff lokcs engaged will get you further offroad but well im not prepared to spend big $$ for steel bits over wires. Only thing i would like to add is that electronic systems need hard switched overides. The systems add alot, but needs to be controlable in all circumstances.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Bush65;744508]I've never understood why anyone would have/want Terrain Response.

If they do need or want it (presumably because they can't drive a 4x4, or else don't like the exertion of changing gear, locking diffs etc.), why don't they just take the next logical step and stay home and watch it on a dvd.

I'll wager those people wouldn't have enough experience/knowledge to air down tyres, carry recovery gear and know how to use it - they should stay home and watch a dvd.

The D3 boys are going to be along to flame you any minute now. Can't wait this might get interesting.

Originally Posted by Bush65

I've only just stumbled over this thread.

Toyota already had a good 6 cyl, turbo diesel in their landcruisers, but after they changed to the new common rail diesel (to meet future emmision requirements) of about 4.5 litres, they apparently can't keep up with orders.

What did Land Rover do? They put a puny 2.4 litre engine in the 2007 Defender!!!

The best selling 4x4 in Australia is the Toyota Hilux. A commercial trayback/utility workhorse. The current turbo diesel is not a bad engine.

In Australia, more 4x4 hilux's are sold in one or two weeks than all model Land Rover combined in a year.

What did Land Rover do? They stopped the 110 trayback/utility!!!

Compare published figures for Hilux and Defender 130 duel cabs

Price: Hilux $40,890 to Defender $51,990 - Hilux 1, Defender nil
Engine capacity: Hilux 3 litre to Defender 2.4 litre - Hilux 2, Defender nil
Power: Hilux 126kW, Defender 90kW - Hilux 3, Defender nil
Torque: Hilux 343 Nm to Defender 360 Nm - Hilux 3, Defender 1
Weight to Power: Hilux 14.8 kg/kW to Defender 23.5 kg/kW - H 4, D 1
Economy: Hilux 8.5 L/100km to Defender 11.1 L/km - H 5, D 1

On these figures, Defender only topped the Hilux in engine torque, but it was only marginal and the Defender is a heavier vehicle.

75 litre fuel capacity in Land Rovers!!! What a cruel joke! My diesel rangie will have well over 200 litre capacity.

Land Rover transmission and drivetrain strength (lack of), is the laughing stock of the 4x4 world!!!

Land Rover support!!! Another cruel joke!!!

A popular 4x4 magazine regularly publish new 4x4 vehicle sales. IIRC, they list the top 10 in the major classes. Land Rover don't make these lists any more!!! Apparently any upstart Asian maker that decides to enter the 4x4 market will easily outsell Land Rover.

My 1st 4x4 was a Toyota Landcruiser FJ40. I have only had Land Rovers since, starting with a rangie from sometime back in mid to late 1970's.

I can't imagine Land Rover building what I want. Despite this Land Rover person's requests in this thread, Land Rover will not have enough vision to build what is needed in Australia.

I'm modifying what I have now, into what I want. My disco will go, and my rangie and bushie will have to do me until I can't drive any more.

Don't disagree. But LR sell more RRS in the USA as quick as they can get them into the country. As Vlad said in yesterdays post somewhere, LR are more interested in being a luxury car maker now than anything else these days. That's where the money is.

Fact is we all want LR to focus on what they stood for in the 70's without the reliablity issues, models like the defender aren't as important to LR compared to the RRS.

Hey AK, while I dont disagree with you about RSS being the most important one to Landrover, I think that if they make a model then they should support it, and if they are going to do that then they should make it to meet the clientel demands.

Look at what Jeep did with the Rubicon, they realised that this was the most common type of modifications made to their Wrangler so they made it as a factory model. Arguable it is now the most capable off the shelf 4wd sold in the world that only requires a normal drivers license and can still fit in a supermarket car park.

With the amount of engines and other bits at it's disposal from the various parent companies it is disapointing to see that they seem to be building it (defender) under sufferance and hope it will just die off?

Thats my take on it anyway

Blythe