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  1. 2nd February 2008, 04:28 PM #1
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    LandIvecoFiat or Santana??????

    Have a look at the Iveco Massif




    The link with the news: Fiat's New SUV: Iveco Massif
    he story of the Massif is complex. The car is a rebadged version of the Spanish Santana Anibal, itself a derivative of the Land Rover Defender. Santana has been a partner of Land Rover for decades, and its Anibal is now made 100 percent from local components. Santana and Iveco got together to develop this workaday sport-utility vehicle.

    The Massif is powered by Iveco's own 176-horsepower six-cylinder 2.8-liter common-rail diesel engine, mated to a five-speed gearbox. Currently two body styles are being offered: a five-door hardtop and an extended-cab pickup.

    Santana hopes to produce more than 10,000 Iveco Massif vehicles a year, which will be mostly aimed at the work market and intended for use by police, firefighting and forestry departments. Iveco's parent, Fiat produced a sturdy off-roader for similar purposes from 1951-'73. Called the Campagnolo, it was largely unknown outside Italy.
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  2. 2nd February 2008, 04:32 PM #2
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    That sure looks the business, i like it. Minus the decals on the side though.
    What are Iveco diesels like? Their Commercial vans seem to go real well?
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  3. 2nd February 2008, 04:33 PM #3
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    Mate punch in Santana into the search function and see the results, there's heaps of info on here about them.

    The Santana is still leaf sprung but I believe they are parabolics and were based on the series 3 not the deffa but thats just splitting hairs really.

    Im pretty sure it was in the 80's (I could be wrong)that LR and Santana split and they started building their own stuff that was still LR based.
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    I like the engine specs, juts wonder if Iveco Australia are going to impor them here
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    kinda makes sense if you go back down the path of the lada/rangerover development of the niva, and lada's history of building rebadged fiats and the exchange of technology between italy and russia and the exchange of raw goods back the other way that fiat would end up doing something like this.
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    "Fiat produced a sturdy off-roader for similar purposes from 1951-'73. Called the Campagnolo, it was largely unknown outside Italy"
    what a shame that it was never exported from italy. Way back then, the thing had manual diff locks front and rear out of the factory and capability to walk down and up bomb craters like not many other 4x4's of the time
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    a couple of interesting comments here Iveco Massif - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum about recent Santana's vs Defenders.
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    It is interesting that no body mention the 2.8 Iveco engine.
    That is what worries me about the new Defender, they are using a small engine and pump it up with a computer.
    It is a trend, like with the Mercedes Benz Sprinter when they went from 2.9 to the small 2.2 car engine in the later models.
    Have any body notice that the 4WD Japanese companies are not using small engines in the big 4WD ?
    I may be old fashion but a 3 to 4 liters capacity is very nice to me
    We are going to have a very interesting future regarding engine capacity and reliability
    cheers
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