Rudds apology

can anyone tell me how many children were forcibly removed from their parents during this time, white black or brindle ?

or how many babies were forcibly adopted out, white black or brindle ?

there has been a lot of rhetoric about this but, very little mentioned about the general views of society and how that impacted on the everyday lives of most living in Australia during this era, white black or brindle ?

i also take the time to remind people that playing the man, will not win you the argument and that if you take the time to write your message in a coherent manner, most will take the time to read and absorb your comment instead of fobbing you off..

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Originally Posted by ScrubPleb

My little neighbour (10 years old) just said to me,"Kevin Rudd said sorry to my Pop for the government stealing him when he was little. He's real happy. And Pop said it can't happen anymore. That's good."

I don't need any more than that to know an apology was the right thing to do.

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This is/was all about children. I guess, maybe, a child, no less, has summarised the twelve previous pages of emotion, comment, whatever.

Is there really anything more that could be added to the child's comment.

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Originally Posted by CraigE

It is more like 50,000 people allegedly affected, so say $50 Billion. Nothing else gets done in this country for a few years. And what if the payouts are more? The money gets wasted, nothing changes. Spend the money helping all disadvataged people to get a start. Money is diverted from hospitals, schools, infrastructure. Fine if you want to contribute, but I dont.
There were injustices done, but also a lot of neccessary removals. Time to move on like the rest of the world.

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As my boss said the other day
Pay them and then make sure there is a line under it (not like NZ where they want more in 10 years) And after all they will all spend it all and it will go back into the economy for everyoine to share. :)

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Originally Posted by CraigE

If the majority are saying one thing then maybe that should tell you something.
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Actually I'd say it was about evens on this one. Haven't done a count of posts but just my general impression going back through the discussion. The people with more "conservative" or "harder" views tend to have a more aggressive attitude and vocalise more in these debates, but this time those with the "softer" views, (for want of a better word ) who normally stay in the back ground, have come out and put their point of view. That may also be part of the reason for the upset in the election.
It's interesting to correlate the global warming debate and this one. I could just about pick who'd line up on each side ;)
Rational debate is healthy, as long as it doesn't get threatening or personal.
Just be thankful we have the freedom to do it.

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Originally Posted by incisor

can anyone tell me how many children were forcibly removed from their parents during this time, white black or brindle ?

or how many babies were forcibly adopted out, white black or brindle ?
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No,I can't. But I can tell you that the number of white children removed solely for being white was zero. While in some cases just being black or brindle was enough.

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Originally Posted by ScrubPleb

No,I can't. But I can tell you that the number of white children removed solely for being white was zero. While in some cases just being black or brindle was enough.

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you what another try?

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Originally Posted by muddydigger

what a shame that some members here cant have the empathy to embrace a violated people. What a disgrace

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I hope you are not reffering to me with that statement. Sympathy and empathy are not the same thing.

The adsorbtion or breeding out of BLACK Australia was actually an accepted topic of discussion among Govt and intellectuals early in the previous century.

The 'Stolen Generation' was seen as putting this theory into practise:mad:

Stolen Generation Robert Manne essay

So maybe a few bob for their inconvenience wouldn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by CraigE

The point of these forums is every one should be able to voice their opinion. I do respect every ones opinion that is different to mine, however I may disagree. The mods are entitled to their opinion and to voice it the same as the rest of us.
It is not entertainment but discussion and I will not back away from my view point, nor do I expect any one else to. These discussions will be taking place in every workplace, home and public area at the momment.
At the end of the day if you do not like what is being said do not read or take part in the thread and if you dislike the way the forum is run or its content then maybe its time to move on.
If the majority are saying one thing then maybe that should tell you something.
If you want to say sorry and pay compensation then that is fine and your decision, but for those of us who disagree we should be entitled to take our stance as well. It does not for a minute mean that a lot of us do not feel for these people and what they have been through, but there are many more that have been through similar or worse. There is a hell of a lot more to it than the simplistic view of people being removed from their families.

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A NEW moderator?

I wonder how many of the people commenting on the apology have heard or read the full text of the apology and the two speeches by the PM and the Leader of the Opposition.

I was not able to hear the apology live, but have just watched the replay of the coverage on ABC TV.

Having heard only media comments about Brendan Nelson's speech and brief extracts from it, I was ready to condemn him for making comments that I believed were entirely inappropriate in the circumstances.

However having heard both the apology and the two speeches in their entirety I now find it hard to understand how anyone who was prepared to listen with an open mind could have had any objection to the apology or to either of the two speeches in support of the motion.

Taken in context, Brendan Nelson's comments sounded to me like a genuine attempt to offer support for what the PM had said and an appropriate acknowledgement of just how much needs to be done to create the sort of future that the PM envisaged.
I can't remember the last time I heard speeches by politicians with so little party politics and pointscoring.