Rudds apology

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t's a sad day when a moderator takes sides in what is clearly an emotive issue.
Best you stick to moderating and not sympathise with a predominant view.

This thread should have been locked up ages ago, what is it with you guys, entertainment?

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Forget the topic, but how hypocritical. What is it with you then if it is not entertainment as you are a part of the thread? Nothing gets the blood boiling more whether this thread or any other, where someone comes along, makes various comments along the way, then decides that perhaps they don't have the majority view or that it is not to their liking, that the thread should be closed:mad:. What bollocks. If you don't like the conversation..switch threads...simple.

Secondly who are you to determine as to who says what, when. Since when is it written that a Mod cannot have an opinion, it is these type of comments that are an insult to a thread that on the whole has been well discussed. As for being highly emotive, certainly for some, others like myself it isnt emotive, moreso objective and offering a view point. The predominant opposing view has been littered with anti sentiments, assumptions and aggression, highly unlikely to win any support what so ever,

Regards

Stevo

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Originally Posted by duncanw

Well that's what happened, white kids were shipped to Australia to increase the white stock when they feared that the asians would take over.

The Lost Children, 10,000 English Kids Sent To Australia - CBS News

I'm not saying that one is worse than the other but at least the kids over here were still kept in their own country.

Oh and they didn't get handouts only a 1.6 million dollar travel fund to put the relatives in contact with them, which only 300 people have been successfully granted.

But its only white kids so it can't possibly be racist.

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Incorrect read previous posts! And your quoting only parts of article that suits your view point. Let me just point out a very important point that puts this into more perspective, instead of trying to assimilate the two.
The children were taken from children's homes!! they were NOT taken directly from families. There is a difference. That said its still inhumane and a dispicable act. to be lied to for 50 years.
Secondly you conviniently forgot another part of the article, they were apologised to and they are receiving compensation, some thing that many here believe that aboriginals should be denied

Oh here is quote from the article "In 1993, the Christian Brothers, responding to a lawsuit, officially apologized to the child migrants and paid reparations totaling $2.5 million dollars to 250 who'd been abused at their institutions"
the same thing has happened to thousands of aboriginal children removed from loving families and enslaved as well. So its OK to pay compo for the white kids but not the black ones?

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Originally Posted by ScrubPleb

Originally Posted by RonMcGr

I don't want to anger anyone but you don't say why he would be angry. So I can't respond. Maybe you can point out where I got it wrong.

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Okay, from the "White side' od stolen children.

As I said earlier, My Father in Laws Mother died after having their 5th child. The Authorities deemed the Father was not able to provide for the family as he was a Merchant Seaman.
He had no say what so ever, they just turned up one day and took the five children. The eldest, a Daughter was put in a Catholic convent (baptized C of E). She is still there, a 90 year old retired Nun.
Others were put in foster homes and another in an orphanage. The younger ones were told their Brothers and Sisters were dead, as was their Father. It took another 50 years and FOI to be able to track each other down. They were all very bitter when they found out the truth, that they did have brothers and sister that were alive. One died before the others were able to meet him. This was all before WW2.

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Originally Posted by RonMcGr

Okay, from the "White side' od stolen children.

As I said earlier, My Father in Laws Mother died after having their 5th child. The Authorities deemed the Father was not able to provide for the family as he was a Merchant Seaman.
He had no say what so ever, they just turned up one day and took the five children. The eldest, a Daughter was put in a Catholic convent (baptized C of E). She is still there, a 90 year old retired Nun.
Others were put in foster homes and another in an orphanage. The younger ones were told their Brothers and Sisters were dead, as was their Father. It took another 50 years and FOI to be able to track each other down. They were all very bitter when they found out the truth, that they did have brothers and sister that were alive. One died before the others were able to meet him. This was all before WW2.

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Terrible circumstances there and understandable as to why they are bitter.
I truley sypathise with how they feel.And I hope that they can live in piece from now on. Any child abuse is dipicable, and beyond my comprehension
But just let me point out by your own explanation, that they wernt taken because of the colour of their skin, like stolen black children were, which was the point of the Scrubplebs post!

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Originally Posted by muddydigger

Incorrect read previous posts! And your quoting only parts of article that suits your view point. Let me just point out a very important point that puts this into more perspective, instead of trying to assimilate the two.
The children were taken from children's homes!! they were NOT taken from families. There is huge difference.
Secondly you conviniently forgot another part of the article, they were apologised to and they are receiving compensation, some thing that many here believe that aboriginals should be denied

Oh here is quote from the article "In 1993, the Christian Brothers, responding to a lawsuit, officially apologized to the child migrants and paid reparations totaling $2.5 million dollars to 250 who'd been abused at their institutions"
the same thing has happened to thousands of aboriginal children removed from loving families and enslaved as well. So its OK to pay compo for the white kids but not the black ones?

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The children were in children's homes because the mothers put them into care while they were having a baby or taking care of the family after the war. So yeah your correct they weren't taken but I don't think that they said sure ship them to Australia and do what you like with them.

No I'm not saying that it's ok for 2.5% of those taken to be given compo and not the black ones, I was replying to your remarks that no white kids were taken to breed out the blacks.

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Originally Posted by duncanw

The children were in children's homes because the mothers put them into care while they were having a baby or taking care of the family after the war. So yeah your correct they weren't taken but I don't think that they said sure ship them to Australia and do what you like with them.

No I'm not saying that it's ok for 2.5% of those taken to be given compo and not the black ones, I was replying to your remarks that no white kids were taken to breed out the blacks.

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Sorry mate I never said No white kids were taken, or made any mention of breeding out the blacks. What I said was Black children were taken based on skin colour, no mention of white children at all.Your cofussing my post with some one elses.
Its a awful what has happened to both the white and black children. And now both have received an apology yet the white ones aren't being slagged off for claiming compensation for their grievances. I do not apose any child who has been in these circumstances to receive compensation.

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Originally Posted by muddydigger

Sorry mate I never said No white kids were taken, or made any mention of breeding out the blacks. What I said was Black children were taken based on skin colour, no mention of white children at all.Your cofussing my post with some one elses.
Its a awful what has happened to both the white and black children. And now both have received an apology yet the white ones aren't being slagged off for claiming compensation for their grievances. I do not apose any child who has been in these circumstances to receive compensation.

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Sorry, your right I've got you confused with scrubpleb

I think what has got most people worked up is the fact that aboriginals get quite a lot off the government as it is without adding to further the compo claims.

I'll be the first one to admit that not all aboriginals are the same and some have got morals and don't just wait for handouts but I don't think their in the majority (from what I've experienced), which is a shame because I have some very close aboriginal friends who feel the same way I do and haven't taken handouts and ingested just about everything that can do you damage like some of their relatives do.

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Originally Posted by duncanw

Sorry, your right I've got you confused with scrubpleb

I think what has got most people worked up is the fact that aboriginals get quite a lot off the government as it is without adding to further the compo claims.

I'll be the first one to admit that not all aboriginals are the same and some have got morals and don't just wait for handouts but I don't think their in the majority (from what I've experienced), which is a shame because I have some very close aboriginal friends who feel the same way I do and haven't taken handouts and ingested just about everything that can do you damage like some of their relatives do.

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Do you not think they are not deserving of it? they die 17 years on average younger than white people. Infant deaths are 4 times higher than white peoples. Diabetes is rampant in aboriginal communities the same as blinding eye diseases. Housing in bush areas is non existent. Education is non existent in these areas is non existent. health care is practically non existent in out lying bush areas, and so they come to the city to get help, cant assimilate to white society and fall in to the ever decreasing circles of government subsidized way of of life. The ones you see in parks.

That said, what about the junkie heroin addicts, the scum bags who live of my taxes while surfing at Byron bay? the white teen age kids responsible for the willful destruction of public schools and public and private property.

There are good and bad in all peoples be the black white or red.
And as fro the government hand outs, I can tell you that its not quite as rosy as some would have you believe.

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Originally Posted by muddydigger

Terrible circumstances there and understandable as to why they are bitter.
I truley sypathise with how they feel.And I hope that they can live in piece from now on. Any child abuse is dipicable, and beyond my comprehension
But just let me point out by your own explanation, that they wernt taken because of the colour of their skin, like stolen black children were, which was the point of the Scrubplebs post!

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No they were not.
And as I have said earlier, taking children from parents was not only confined to the Aborigines.

Yes, the authorities did remove half caste children as the thought the "Tribe" would murder them, and at the same time they were taking both black and white kids, IF, they thought those kids would be better off elsewhere.

That is what I meant by the "Stolen Generation". Not all were black.

It was a time when the Government at the time, used their power, to discriminate, beyond their power, and with no respect for other peoples feelings.

I saw that film, "The barbed wire fence" and understand where the indigenous people are coming from. However, as I said they were not the only ones.

I hope you can understand my description.

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Originally Posted by RonMcGr

No they were not.
And as I have said earlier, taking children from parents was not only confined to the Aborigines.

Yes, the authorities did remove half caste children as the thought the "Tribe" would murder them, and at the same time they were taking both black and white kids, IF, they thought those kids would be better off elsewhere.

That is what I meant by the "Stolen Generation". Not all were black.

It was a time when the Government at the time, used their power, to discriminate, beyond their power, and with no respect for other peoples feelings.

I saw that film, "The barbed wire fence" and understand where the indigenous people are coming from. However, as I said they were not the only ones.

I hope you can understand my description.

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Sorry mate my Mother in law was taken based solely on being black, no other reason. So yes they were.
Quote""The Stolen Generations (or Stolen Generation) is a term used to describe those children of Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander descent who were removed from their families by Australian government"

I don't deny many many children were taken from white and black backgrounds.
" It was a time when the Government at the time, used their power, to discriminate, beyond their power, and with no respect for other peoples feelings."
Never a truer word said, but as we ave already learned a lot of the white kids taken have already received an apology and received compensation.