Thread: Sunrise asking should 4wd's be taxed?

Originally Posted by dobbo

I am not anti cyclist,

Oh really, you sure have a funny way of NOT showing it.

Originally Posted by dobbo

So the ACME bicycle factory produces zero emissions?

Everything produces emissions.

Now THAT is reaching deep :P

They push out a product that allows people to travel in a way that greatly limits emissions. Compared to a car factory that pushes out something the opposite.

Tax for cars... I already pay many fees to use the roads as it is. Im not to fussed however... won't happen.

Originally Posted by Greylandy

So we tax the cyclist because he provides a distraction to the motorist? Give me a break ...

No we tax cyclists so that they cover some of the injury compensation that everyone else also has to pay.

Yes - cyclists do cause crashes, by crossing against the red light, knocking down pedestrians when riding on footpaths etc. but will acknowledge that it is frequently the motorist at fault.

Perhaps some of the tax could be used to build more cycleways - The M7 tollroad only has 4 cycleways/cycle lanes so could do with a couple more.

Diana

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Couldn't find that data in the report however an interesting part is around the Prius where a lot of hybrids are also located:

• Vehicle Mile $ - Estimated life
• Accord Hybrid $ 3.295 117,000
• Prius $ 3.249 - 109,000
• Civic Hybrid $ 3.238 - 113,000
• LX 470 $ 3.229 - 213,000 (Lexus - Land Cruiser)
• Boxster $ 3.224 - 157,000 (Porsche)
• Land Cruiser $ 3.184 - 301,000
• Suburban $ 3.134 - 272,000 (Huge Chevy station wagon)

Diana

That explains why Japan have that ruling on cars being registered for a certain time. They obviously build them to last only a few years.

Originally Posted by dobbo

Exactly my point who pays for the bike lanes ATM? If the bikes were licenced and taxed perhaps they would not have such an idiot problem with them as we do now. How many injuries are sustained each year due to bicycles compared to 4wd's? Yet were the ba5tards. How many kids ride without helmets etc....
I am not anti cyclist, I have in the past and do in good weather ride a bike to and from the train station.

If you need cycleways paying road tax would generate an income to build more cycleways.

Mate, bike lanes are hardly wide enough to justify any other use apart from being a shoulder on the road. It is not like a six foot lane is being taken away from motorists and given to cyclists. Many cycle ways are simply painted lines to inform the motorist that the area is being used by pushies.

Explain to me what idiot problem we have with cyclists? Last time I looked many accidents happen because motorists do not take note of cyclists. The majority of motorists still believe that pushbikes have no right of way on the road and belong on the kerb!

How many kids ride without helmets? Kids ride without helmets because their parents are ignorant and stupid. You can also be fined by traffic officials if you ride a pushbike without a helmet.

Also, do you really think slapping a tax on pushies will encourage people to ride them to eliminate congestion and carbon emmisions. I would also argue that the cost of administering a license scheme for pushbikes would far outweigh the return. There just aren't that many regular cyclists!

Originally Posted by dobbo

So the ACME bicycle factory produces zero emissions?

Everything produces emissions.

Thanks for stating the obvious .. it is clear I was comparing a pushbike to a car.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Nothing funny about driving on a toll road at 100 KPH, possibly more, with a pushbike only inches away protected by an unbroken white line on a road with no breakdown lane.

Diana

It's called traffic.

Originally Posted by Greylandy

Thanks for stating the obvious .. it is clear I was comparing a pushbike to a car.

I know, whats your solution to this problem considering the average person lives between 25km and 50km's away from there place of work?
Afterall it would be hard picking up toddlers from preschool on a pushbike, how do you do your grocery shopping on a pushbike?

How many people honestly ride pushbikes to work everyday?

How many exectutives turn up to meetings covered in sweat and stinking due to riding their pushbike to the meeting in their tailored suits?

How many other forms of transport do not require registration?

You have to register a horse and cart, it produces very little carbon emissions, why not a bike.