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    Quote Originally Posted by mudmouse View Post
    the vehicle registration act allows for an unregistered vehicle being used on a road to be immediately seized and application made for it to be forfeited to the Crown
    Matt, how often does that happen though?
    It doesn't seem to happen in Cabramatta or Green Valley - the cars just sit by the side of the road for days/weeks.
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    G'day Scott.

    Yeah not much - it's more of a logistical (storage) thing than anything. The 'special' people that continously drive unregistered vehicles are the likely candidates. Also, the Court has to see that they're avoiding paying rego, which is a bit contentious. Other things like having the time to get a Police rostered tow, and the associated paperwork mean it's not a popular option -also the storage fees come out of the particular commands budget but when it's sold the cash goes to state revenue, so all in all, it's not commonly done.

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    also, standing an unregistered vehicle (parked) is the same as driving it - in those cases with the dunger taking up a parking space the local council can put an 'abandonded' sticker on it and between 48hrs and 2 weeks later (depending on the council) they can take it. Usually if the value is estimated to be less than $500 it'll go to the scrappers, above $500 and they'll auction it.

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    Hi all,

    I'm in the same job as Mudhouse only in Tassy. Maximun penalty down here is $150 unregistered, $150 uninsured. You would have to be a right pain the **** for us to fine you for out of date labels though.

    It is also good to remember there is no MAIB insurance if the vehicle hits a push bike rider, who pays for the medical fees?




    Cheers Andy.

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    same as if the car hits a pedestrian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudmouse

    (Driver) 1) use unregistered vehicle $477, 2) use vehicle with road tax unpaid $477, 3) not return plates after rego expiry $79, 4) expired label $79, 5) not display current label $79 6) if rego out for more than 14 days - use uninsured vehicle $477. Thats for your daughter...for you (Owner) 1) permit use of unregistered vehicle $477, 2) permit use of uninsured vehicle $477, 3) permit contravention of reg (road tax) $477 plus the 'permit' offences of the others.
    Herein lies the entire problem with the Western world, the fact that some sick demented bastard in a parliament somewhere thinks that a genuine mistake made by a decent person is justifiably worth $1191, that that sort of figure is fair and reasonable punishment just epitomises the fact that fines are a revenue raising operation with absolutely no regard to their stated objectives of "protecting the community" and other poorly worded euphemism-of-the-century disguises like "road safety cameras". $1200 is completely and utterly excessive and an insult to every honest hard working person on the face of the planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by mudmouse
    Unfortunately the cost to the community of collisions involving unregistered/uninsured vehicles is massive and as such the RTA and Police invest a huge amount in detecting and prosecuting those drivers who do it. Usually without mercy.
    This is a good thing. There are way too many uninsured vehicles getting about and its not right that people who genuinely pay their insurance can be screwed by people who don't in the event of a collision.



    Thanks mudmouse for posting the info. You are the only NSW officer that I know that has been good enough and let the community know the facts before it is too late.

    I don't know what has happened to the police force but its so hard to see them as a positive thing any more. I know it isn't of their doing but it seems to have become all about revenue and fines for every single conceivable thing. People don't feel safe seeing a police car any more, they just think "oh s***, what am I going to be fined for now". What's gone wrong?

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    Thanks for all the info mudmouse. Most interesting. Sounds like there are a lot of unregistered cars on road?? (Is this sort of information available on net somewhere?)

    I'm interested in how my car would have been spotted as being out of rego. She was turning left at a round about - a long way from the the next car from the right (purple unmarked PC) - he would not have spotted her rego label as it was on LHS of windsceen and the colour if he did spot it is March colour... The car had a bike rack on it with 2 mountain bikes . it had a bike rack number plate attached. S'pose he just plugged the rego number into his computer????? He didn't seem to have stopped her for anything else than rego..... no mention of any offence or anything to do with bikes. (Does a bike rack have to have an illuminated number plate??? I've never seen anyone use one??) Does the PC have a list of locally unregistered cars flashing up or something????
    2010 110 Crew Cab Deefa
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    Thats okay. Yep, its amazing how many and what type of cars on the road that are unregistered - many, as you found, due to a simple oversight.

    1. Detection: There are two ways to detect unregistered vehicles in NSW today. The first is just looking for expired labels and running it though the radio or on board computer... or if a car just has that 'look' about it. Second is the use on an Automatic Number Plate Recognition Sysytem (ANPR). This is a tripod mounted IR camera that is linked to the RTA database. A programmed matrix 'reads' the rego plate. Almost immediately you're told the plates rego status. At the moment they are stationary units you stick in the boot but soon they will be vehicle mounted to be 'mobile'.

    2. Bike rack: Yes, all bike racks or anything that obscures a rego plate must be removed or you have to display an authorised substitute plate - bike rack plate (available for a fee from your friendly RTA office) . The penalty for not doing so, or using an unauthorised plate is $318 and three demerit points - which is insane!! And yes, its supposed to be illuminated when used at night. I've never seen one either.

    3. List: There isn't a list of unregistered vehicles on hand at any Police station simply because they expire every minute of every day. The ANPR database is downloaded on the morning of use, so is accurate as of close of business the previous day. The Mk 1 eyeball option compares it with live data, so it's (usually) spot on. In many cases, you're just unlucky to get nabbed but as you were informed, the penalty will set you straight.

    Channel 10 did a story on the ANPR system when it was introduced last year - in 1 hour it detected 53 unregistered vehicles in the Bondi area. Say no more - $$$.

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