Catalyst - 4WD's on beaches

This is a easy problem to solve.
Ban people off Bondi beach as the microbe testing will prove the human foot print contact pressure will be doing more damage than any 4by.
Might lock up all the beaches and that will save lives by stopping people drowning.
Ban kids from building sand castles too.
Might save money from reduced hospital costs of peole hurting them selves at the beach.
250000 cars a year over a beach at Noosa..........a joke .
The extra nutrients we pump into the sea from our sewage ocean out falls will give the the tiny bugs plenty to eat.
I AM SICK OF THIS S#it and the people who fall for it and dont let the truth or a small part of a overall story spoil a good story of ratings.
Did any one test the recovery rate of these bugs ?

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Originally Posted by disco2hse

I do get sick of the human haters who see that anything that humans do is detrimental to nature and that humans need to be eradicated, because "nature is good" and "nature is the best" and "humans hurt nature", so "humans must go".

Alan

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Could not put it better, had a gut full of the ****** fringe who think they have the right to screw everybody else’s way of life because it ALLEGEDLY has some effect on the environment.

I wonder if these same ******* have corks jammed up their A'holes to make sure THEY don't pollute the atmosphere. I don’t think so and these same ******* still have cars and everything else we have that contribute to global warming or what ever the trendy issue is this week.

When some prove that we are causing revisable damage then do something about it but to make out that there is a problem when the clown himself states that they don’t know what is going to happen appears to me to be nothing more than a ****** trying to get his fifteen minutes of fame and nothing more.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

..... ..... .... appears to me to be nothing more than a ****** trying to get his fifteen minutes of fame and nothing more.

Cheers.

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I was left with a different impression.

I saw it as the results of some research being released as part of a continuing process of trying to understand the world we live in.

As is so often the case, such research raises more questions than it answers.
As people have quite rightly pointed out, there needs to be further research to compare the damage done by 4WDs with other factors that impact on these creatures as well as further research into their recovery rate and the impact on other organisms that might be dependant on or preyed on by these creatures.

While we might feel threatened because of the particular subject of the research, it's not the research which is the problem. The problem lies with people who do not understand the way scientific research works jumping to some unwarranted conclusion because they think there is always a simple black and white answer to a complex problem.

I didn't feel that the program tried to give the impression that this was the end of the matter and that no more research needed to be done.

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

Could not put it better, had a gut full of the ****** fringe who think they have the right to screw everybody else’s way of life because it ALLEGEDLY has some effect on the environment.

I wonder if these same ******* have corks jammed up their A'holes to make sure THEY don't pollute the atmosphere. I don’t think so and these same ******* still have cars and everything else we have that contribute to global warming or what ever the trendy issue is this week.

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I did notice the 100 Series Cruiser they drove on the beach. Had a good laugh about that. Plus there would have been a camera vehicle too.

I think it is great that people find this stuff out but as said it is just a tiny snapshot in time of something and does not really prove anything right now. So to use this tiny snapshot to ban vehicles from beaches or any other such thing would be stupid.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I saw it as the results of some research being released as part of a continuing process of trying to understand the world we live in.

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The research itself is not in question, but the alleged effects are.

This is no better than when George Stephenson Rocket carried passengers at speeds up to 25 miles an hour and prominent doctors of the day stated that this kind of speed would result in the deaths of the passenger, for all sorts of ridiculers reasons.

Here we are, nearly two hundred years later and it’s the same old same old.

So we should just leave it open slather until serious side effects are suddenly & dramaticly obvious and irreversable? And then the answer will be immediate knee-jerk total bans.
OR do we keep an open mind and a finger on the pulse and monitor these environmental impacts, and then choose to act early and make small changes so that everyone can enjoy it into the future.

The research is fine, it is how that information is then used and descisions made that is important. "Don't shoot the messenger", he is just raising the issue, now.

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

The research itself is not in question, but the alleged effects are. ..... ..... ...

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Surely it's not a case of the effects being questioned, but the significance or relevance of those effects.

I thought that his scientific method was pretty sound so there seems to be a strong argument that 4WDs reduce the number of those critters.

What is in question is what, if anything should be done about it.

I am prepared to accept that the effects are real, but I'm not yet sure what, if anything should be done about it. Further research will hopefully provide the answer.

I wonder how many Microbes and crustations were injured or killed in the making of that episode of ACA.........Oh I mean catylist.....:wasntme:

Bloody joke.....you guys who are agreeing with that rubbish may as well sell your 4wds and go back to walking eveywhere as your damagine microbial living beings everytime you start it as it will suck them in the intake and burn them in the engine, it will splat them on your windscreen while going to you green rally and not to mention the millions of ants that you squash with you oversized tyres while driving to work.

It is not just the beach that this sort of thing relates to, those particular crustations maybe but are they saying that they dont populate other areas that are not driven on an HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO RECOVER.....? is it when the tide comes in and then goes back out so every 12 hrs that it is all regenerated.

If it were so bad then there would be nothing there now to test, so there must be some regeneration not to mention that there is thousands of Km's of beachs in australia that isnt driven on due to already being band or not being accessable to 4wd's so how much do the greenies actually want.

Why not leave something to the people who enjoy this sort of beach play, it isnt going to change that much in the grand scheme of things no matter what some off with the fairies over educated so called expert says.

Everything in moderation.............yes if it is getting thrashed then regulate useage but these close this and ban that is just scare tactics by single minded extemists that refuse to see that there is a different life other than what they live.

I could go on a lot longer but that will do for now.

Bloody stupid

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Originally Posted by mcrover

I wonder how many Microbes and crustations were injured or killed in the making of that episode of ACA.........Oh I mean catylist.....:wasntme:

Bloody joke.....you guys who are agreeing with that rubbish may as well sell your 4wds and go back to walking eveywhere as your damagine microbial living beings everytime you start it as it will suck them in the intake and burn them in the engine, it will splat them on your windscreen while going to you green rally and not to mention the millions of ants that you squash with you oversized tyres while driving to work.

It is not just the beach that this sort of thing relates to, those particular crustations maybe but are they saying that they dont populate other areas that are not driven on an HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO RECOVER.....? is it when the tide comes in and then goes back out so every 12 hrs that it is all regenerated.

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So can we assume you have seen the results of some research that show the extent of regeneration over a 12 hour period?

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Originally Posted by mcrover

If it were so bad then there would be nothing there now to test, so there must be some regeneration not to mention that there is thousands of Km's of beachs in australia that isnt driven on due to already being band or not being accessable to 4wd's so how much do the greenies actually want.

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Yes, I'm sure there is some regeneration, but wouldn't you feel happier knowing just how much and how quickly. It is only through such research that you are likely to get an answer.

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Originally Posted by mcrover

Why not leave something to the people who enjoy this sort of beach play, it isnt going to change that much in the grand scheme of things no matter what some off with the fairies over educated so called expert says.

Everything in moderation.............yes if it is getting thrashed then regulate useage but these close this and ban that is just scare tactics by single minded extemists that refuse to see that there is a different life other than what they live.

I could go on a lot longer but that will do for now.

Bloody stupid

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You seem to be assuming that some sort of regulation is necessary. How do you know? It might be that things recover so quickly that it isn't needed.
Has it occurred to you that further research might lead to the conclusion that we might as well drive up and down the beaches as much as we like?

Those of us whom you have attacked as "bloody stupid" are for the most part simply arguing that we need to know what is going on around us to better manage our environment.

The alternative surely is to remain ignorant and prejudiced.

I would like to know whether there is a problem with 4WDs on beaches.
The Catalyst program gave me just one very small piece of information which if properly followed up will go part way towards answering that question.

Diatribes from people with closed minds contribute a lot less to my understanding of the issue.

Just in case it isn't obvious from my previous posts, I will state clearly and simply that I am not advocating a ban on 4WDs on beaches. I am simply supporting scientific research.