And in the US Hyundai have led the customer satisfaction states for something like the last ten years!
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And in the US Hyundai have led the customer satisfaction states for something like the last ten years!
I think that the dealer network (or the lack of it) have a lot to answer for in regard to Land Rover's reputation of being unreliable. I'm now on my third Disco all bought new and all the issues that I have had have started off as small items or have been caused by the poorly trained service staff. Once out of warranty the vehicles have been more reliable simply because independent service facilities don't break stuff.
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Tote
That's because US built vehicles are worse than Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by cookiesa
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Tote
Lucas electrics never did the Land Rover or any other car companies that used them any favours.
I love Landies - don't get me wrong... but our farm truck is a GQ Patrol TD42 and I wouldn't have anything else.
It's torquey and powerful, as efficient as a 4.2L N/A Diesel can be (!) can tow anything and best of all, it is tough as nails and never dies (despite the rough life it leads)
>>>puts on flame suit...<<<
IMHO, no modern Landy can do all of those things as well as the Patrol can. I looked at Defenders but at the end of the day I just couldn't let heart rule over head so the Patrol was bought and has proved a worthy investment.
If LR put a bigger engine in the Defender and fixed up the rampant quality issues then I would buy one, but they haven't and don't seem to want to so until they wake up and smell the roses, I will continue to buy Patrols as everyday working vehicles.
Sorry. :(
It all started when Toyota started bringing the Landcruiser in to compete against the Land Rover.:o
To increase sales they would hint and suggest at the unreliable nature of Land Rovers due to them being under powered etc where as in real terms they were not any more unreliable but they were underpowered in comparison to the Toyota.
This instilled a Toyota vs Landrover attitude in the country towns and Toyota also went about buying out or getting the owners of LR dealers in small country towns to convert over and LR in their infinate wisdom didnt even try to fight back.
The dealer in my home town of Mansfield was basically made to go bust due to Toyota providing huge discounts to farmers who traded in their Landies when I was a kid on a new cruiser and what farmer in their right mind would knock back a $2k trade in on a car that would have been (at the time) worth $1k at the most as well as then getting a newer styled, more powerful, faster and more comfortable vehical.
As far as reality goes, the Landrover is still probably one of the best engineered vehicals in the world (well most models anyway) and most have been nothing but reliable if looked after properly and thankfully they have nothing to do with the company that now brings us the Prius......:mad:
A Patrol wagon has half the payload of my Defender - so I wouldn't be able to put all my gear for my trip in a Patrol - so it does "payload" better. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shonky
You dont have to be sorry, someone has to buy them :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shonky
None of them are bad cars, hell Ive owned an 80 series an MQ Pootrol (for a very short while) and a Mitsub Trytoooooooon and other than the MQ (which had had a very ver hard life) have been great cars.
We had everything from Series Landies to a cruiser 40 series tray to Subaru's on the farm and all have been good, even the Isuzu KB40.
I dont think it is really worth bagging them out other than I will not buy a Toyota while they persist on building a car that cant work out weather it is electric or petrol powered :eek:
I’ve owned a few different fourbies:
· Subaru Brumby - soft? yes, but drove it up the telegraph track no problems (other than drowning in the Wenlock- but it dried out)
· BJ40 Cruiser - Gutless, Simple, Noisy, Simple, Gutless, Couldn't stop it.
· Lada Niva – Ok, we all make mistakes, fun car when it worked ;)
· Def 110 - Loved it, never let me down. And got me out of a couple of sticky situations!!
I still own 3 Landies - D90 my daily driver, Disco 1- wifes car, S2 ute - mid life crisis restoration project.
I like toyotas too- grew up in the back set of an FJ40 and have seen plenty of 60's, 70's and 80's that can "cut-the-mustard". The troopy is a good'n if that's what you want. They just don’t press my buttons.
Every car has its foibles. I just love my landies. No head involved, it's just a decision of the heart. Yeah they have "issues", yes not enough dealers; yes I don't want to get the electrickery wet; yes they give me the sh1ts….. sometimes. The thing for me is, every time I get behind the wheel I smile :D- and that's enough for me. :)
(P.S. Shonky, after that comment I'm sending up the paint - and you know what colour!!:p:p:p)
1958 was a long time ago and Land Rover competed successfully against Toyota and Nissan right through the 1960s, the mjor selling points were the 4 speed gearbox and strength of the welded chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrover
How many people will admit that the riveted chassis of the Toyota's fell to bits on corrugated roads right up until they welded the chassis in the 1980's. How many Toyota people will admit that with the introduction of the 1Hz engines the Toyota transfer cases would blow the gear sets out the side of ther box?
Very true, and Toyota still have an inferiority complex, what about when they subsidised the Snowy Mountains Scheme Museum at Adaminaby, the agreement with the Muesum was that the word or any images of Land Rover were not to be shown, lest Toyota remove their support.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrover
Once again, Land Rover were putting a 3 litre engine in 109" Land Rovers in the US, yet in Australia they expected Land Rovers in Oz to compete with the Toyota copy of the Chev 6 cylinder with the Rover 2.6 engine.
It always made me laugh, right through the 1970s and early 1980s the Toyota and Nissan crowd would rant about all the problems of coil spring Rover suspension. Yet when they respective marque introduced coil sprung vehicles, these same people would now comment how much better their coil spring system was over the Rover type. They dammned well should have been they had nearly 20 years to reverse engineer the Rover product. They however always used the Rover as the benchmark!Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrover
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