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    Australian Infantry Frustrated With Non-Combat Roles

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    You have to be in Combat to die in it..Pretty hard to happen when your wrapped up in cotton wool by your Government and in the green zone 99% of the time....
    My mates are peed off over there with their hands tied.

    Conversly they are loving the Stan...lots of firefights ,lots of kills most field force soldiers love doing the real soldier thing.
    Had a BBQ two months ago and some of the stories coming back are awesome, not to many Afghannies killed, mostly Packies down south.

    I found this interesting piece on Internet ,

    Afghanistan Conflict Monitor: Australia

    "Australian infantry soldiers are ashamed of their low-risk missions in Iraq and Afghanistan and are scorned by troops of other nations, two seasoned officers charged in comments published Tuesday." (AFP). According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the head of the Australian Army, Lieutenant-General Peter Leahy "acknowledged that morale has suffered as the infantry has shifted to increasingly low-risk, non-combat roles in Afghanistan and Iraq." However, infantry soldiers remained highly trained and well-prepared but were not fulfilling their traditional role of close combat and holding territory... 'What we are seeing now is that we are required to work in different populations to work to protect, to support and persuade.'"
    'Major Jim Hammett, 'We Were Soldiers Once... The Decline of the Royal Australian Infantry Corps?' Australian Army Journal, Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2008): 39-50
    EXCERPT: "Australia’s contributions to both Iraq and Afghanistan have been derided and scorned by soldiers and officers alike from other nations who are more vigorously engaged in combat operations. [...] Why do people join the Infantry Corps? The answer is simple: to fulfil the role of the Infantry; or to use simpler terms, to fight. But the Infantry are not fighting; they are trained to fight, equipped to fight, and being indoctrinated to expect to fight—they are doing many other things, but not fighting. [...] The restrictions placed on deployed elements as a result of force protection and national policies have, at times, made Infantrymen ashamed of wearing their Australian uniform and regimental hat badge."


    Captain Greg Coltan, 'Enhancing Operational Capability: Making the Infantry More Deployable', Australian Army Journal, Vol. 5, No. 1 (Autumn 2008): 51-64
    EXCERPT: "[T]here is a growing sense of frustration within the ranks of the Infantry that regular infantry units are only receiving perceived second rate operational taskings, while the government and Army hierarchy seem to favour Special Forces for deliberate offensive operations and tasks."

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    [quote=Disco_owner;756378]
    "The Australian battle group is pulling out," the British military spokesman said.

    Since handing over security of Dhi Qar province to the Iraqis, the main role of the Australian battle group has been to train and support Iraqi forces.


    The British military spokesman said Australian civilians training the police and advising the Iraqi government would also stay behind.




    The Brits must know more than the aussies, the group I was with are out and as far as I know, the aussie civilian trainers are all out. While we all wait for the iraqis to decide on there next level of training.
    The yanks have most of the training gigs and everything else for that matter.


    john

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyDawg View Post
    No Australian has died in combat in Iraq.


    You have to be in Combat to die in it..Pretty hard to happen when your wrapped up in cotton wool by your Government and in the green zone 99% of the time....
    My mates are peed off over there with their hands tied.

    Conversly they are loving the Stan...lots of firefights ,lots of kills most field force soldiers love doing the real soldier thing.
    Had a BBQ two months ago and some of the stories coming back are awesome, not to many Afghannies killed, mostly Packies down south.
    It's probably easy to say that in Australia, but I don't get the impression thats its necessarily quite like that in reality. There is a reason why they all are sleeping in bunkers in their room, that they always have to wear bullet proof vests and that they are being bombed in the compounds and that there were people killed in a car bombing outside of the compounds. I wouldn't call that wrapped in cotton wool. We've already had the "I'm ok phone calls". It's not a game, it's very real despite them all wanting to get into Afghanistan.
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    [quote=JohnE;756655]
    Quote Originally Posted by Disco_owner View Post
    "The Australian battle group is pulling out," the British military spokesman said.

    Since handing over security of Dhi Qar province to the Iraqis, the main role of the Australian battle group has been to train and support Iraqi forces.


    The British military spokesman said Australian civilians training the police and advising the Iraqi government would also stay behind.




    The Brits must know more than the aussies, the group I was with are out and as far as I know, the aussie civilian trainers are all out. While we all wait for the iraqis to decide on there next level of training.
    The yanks have most of the training gigs and everything else for that matter.


    john
    The aussies are still in there training the Iraqi forces. Is this what you were questioning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco_owner View Post
    Sydney-based freelance photographer Stephen Dupont, 41, and his colleague, Paul Rafael, were in a car about 20m from the blast which tore through a team in the small town of Khogyani who were preparing to eradicate opium poppy fields in eastern Afghanistan.

    It is believed Mr Rafael was airlifted to the air base hospital at Jalalabad after the blast.

    Mr Dupont, a winner at last year's Walkley Awards, was not physically injured, but badly shaken by the blast, he told friend and journalist Sophie Berry in Afghanistan.

    "Steve called me straight after the bomb went off," Ms Berry said. "He was fine, absolutely fine. He was shaken."

    A man claiming to be a Taliban commander for the region named Qari Sajad told an AFP reporter by telephone the suicide bombing was carried out by a Taliban militant.

    Afghanistan's interior ministry said 19 people - 12 police and seven civilians - were killed and 41 others were wounded.

    Witnesses said the blast left the area covered in flesh and blood.

    Australian journalists injured in suicide blast | NEWS.com.au
    Paul Rafael shielded Steve in the blast, (it was on his side of the car) he was peppered with shrapnel and still has a few pieces wedged in his brain. They were much closer than 20m.
    Steve kept filming and taking pics the whole time, typical journo, even though he was in shock and dazed. It was bloody and graphic, and I'm sure they heavily edited what went to air.
    The Taliban used a 12 year old this time.......

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    [quote=Slunnie;756730]
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnE View Post
    The aussies are still in there training the Iraqi forces. Is this what you were questioning?

    yes mate saw that and the news tonight, but they said in the starter article the civilian trainers are still there, well I am not still there nor are the blokes I was working with, as all the contracts have expired.
    That was the bit I was curious about.



    john

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