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Education Dept and Police also. In the ealier days a Kick in the pants was in order. (A flogging) now gone :confused:. Harder to make an attitude adjustment these days. WE are so much worse off. Thats the way it is. There is no way back. SO we have to put up with new age teens:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by bblaze
I try to use physhology on my kids. Battle of wits;)
The death penalty is a bit much for stealing a car. My sympathy goes to their families.
Scientific study has shown a high percentage of people in teens and early 20's don't think of consequences before acting.
Ive seen plenty continue this path and go to goal, and others grow up and get off that path and be normal people. Who knows which path these teenages would have taken. You don't until they've grown up.
People are rightly sick of d**k head behaviour. Drivesafe has the pleasure of living on the Gold Coast so I have an idea where he's coming from. The Surfers Paradise Mall (& F/Valley) is a zoo just about any night of the week. However, responsible parents have a hard job having a positive influence on their kids when there is an overwhelming weight of negative influence. Crap advertising and crap tv that normalises crap behaviour is just one of those negative influences IMHO. rant over.
Hear hear. My kids would never have stolen a car, & I am very proud of the way they are bringing up their kids. Were the thieves non reflective?Quote:
Originally Posted by drivesafe
I have to agree with you drivesafe. this was completly self inflicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by drivesafe
i'm with drivesafe, they mightve been kids, but they stole a car, they knew what they were doing, if anyone says they didnt, then the parents need to suffer the same fate for not teaching thier kids to respect other peoples property
He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
Say no more - best advise from best source of guidance in life
You missed the part about them being thieves!Quote:
Originally Posted by LandyAndy
Go to the WA newspaper on the article and read about the poor 18 year old who had saved hard to buy that car.
I don't care if those thieves were brilliant at School either.
Once a thief always a thief!
I have never stolen another persons car and neither have my children.
The headline should have read, "Gene pool cleansed of four young thieves".
I am afraid that whether you like it or not, some stupid actions carry the death penalty, and this is an example. The laws of physics apply to everyone regardless of whether they agree with them or not - if you hit a post hard enough in a car, the chances of survival are slim, especially if not wearing a seat belt.
In my view, the responsibility is shared by large sections of the community, including parents, those providing education and policing, and particularly the entertainment industry, who have for years portrayed car theft and irresponsible driving as exciting and likely to gain peer approval, in film, television and games; and, of course, that peer group is also responsible.
But the primary responsibility must lie with the boys themselves; and it is worth noting that they were all above the age of criminal responsibility - in other words, the community has, over the centuries, come to the conclusion that by that age (10) they are old enough to know right from wrong, and can be held legally responsible for their actions.
John
I presume that those of you who are automatically blaming the parents have never seen a mother weeping as she admits that she can't stop her primary school age son from doing as he pleases.
The reason she can't control him is that every time she tells him to stop, he hits her.
I have seen that myself and have heard from reliable sources of other instances of similar cases of parents who live in fear of their children.
Not all of those children use physical violence to intimidate their parents. Others use psychological techniques that are just as effective.
While it might be possible to argue that they brought it on themselves by not bringing up their children correctly when they were younger, punishing those parents now won't achieve anything.
On the subject of bringing up children, it is a concern if some people really believe that it consists exclusively of belting the kids every time they step out of line.
The new series of ads aimed at telling parents that their drinking habits are an important factor influencing the kids' attitude towards binge drinking serves as a reminder that our example is an important part of raising children.
Appropriate discipline has a part to play, but there is more to bringing up children than that.
Parent do have a responsibility to do what they can to ensure that the children they produce make a positive contribution to society, but that does not mean that they should be punished every time they fail.
For many of them the disappointment of seeing their children turn out badly is a greater punishment than many of us could imagine.
Some of the parents who fail have brought it on themselves. Some have simply been overwhelmed by forces they were not equipped to cope with.
If I'd ever hit my mother for telling me what to do my big brother or my father would have put me in hospital, end of story.Its all about respect, nothing more.