4 car thieves died

Now lets see,

Before i start let me get through the following.

Yes, it's sad that 4 young men lost their lives.
Yes, it's sad that the families have lost young lives.
Yes, the parents have to take responsibility.

Now, what do you think would happen if these thieves had smashed into another car and not a tree or whatever it was. What if that other car contained Mr & Mrs BLOGGS and their kids and they took them out. How much sympathy do you think would be going around then. Don't for one minute try and say to me that it didn't happen this time so I can't speculate. This sort of thing happens all to often, yet when they are apprehended and taken to court they get off with barely a slap on the wrist, yet when they kill themselves or someone else we are meant to feel pity for them, well I struggle with that.

For everyones actions there is a result and sometimes that result is not nice but that's the way it is. nobody told them to steal a car, nobody told them to speed. I can visualize it, steal car, speed, drive like lunatic, friends egging each other on ....... BANG ...... gone.

On top of all that, I'm just glad that the police where not chasing these criminals because if they where you can bet your bottom dollar that they would be copping blame from everyone.

Just look for someone else to blame, that's what we do these days, that's how we avoid taking responsibility for our own actions.

I guess in the end, I will acknowledge that it is a sad but i struggle to feel much sympathy for them. If you really want someone to blame start with the driver and work back from there ........ Glad it wasn't my kids, but then again I reckon that my kids would make better decisions than this ...

Hucksta

I absolutely agree with the above comments in reguards to these little **** heads dealing out their own punishment and as harsh as it may have been, I am sorry, they made the decision to steal the car. I agree you cant always blame the parents but I am absolutely sure that when I was a kid my father made sure I was started off in the right direction and I took care of the rest myself. If no discipline or manners are installed at a very young age the kids have no chance for the rest of their life. I also believe the justice/government has a large part to blame as the laws do not punish these kids when they commit crimes against society. To answer Ians question, I believe atleast 2 of the kids were aboriginal, these are the kids that probably 95% are brought up with no manners and no respect for society but the one thing I am sure they are taught is that the system wont touch them until they are atleast 18 years of age. This is the attitude that needs changing and we need to bring back stronger punishments.
I do feel sorry for their families in their loss but I dont feel for these kids at all.
Shano

May I ask the ethnic background of the 4 youths? The news article says they were related.

I know that WA has a problem with a certain section of the community. I wonder if the community referred to in:

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Police say the deaths will have a huge effect on the community and Det Insp Scanlon says they will be working with the community to lessen the impact.

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is of a particular ethnic group?

What is a 10 yo doing out at that time of night?

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Originally Posted by p38arover

May I ask the ethinc background of the 4 youths? (I haven't seen the news article.)

I know that WA has a problem with a certain section of the community.

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Ron,

based on the fact that they are relatives of AFL footballers FARMER and PICKETT it would be safe to say that they are Aboriginal. Not sure if that is the section of the community that you refer too, but from my own personal experience i would say that it is ........

Hucksta

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....and Det Insp Scanlon says they will be working with the community to lessen the impact.

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No, the Police should be out at the scene and MAXIMISING THE IMPACT.

The end result for the youths in question was Death
The mistakes they commited caused them the ultimate penalty
The only real issues that need to be addressed here are as such
Education through parental guidance
If the parents in question considered for even one second their children were about to die that day
Im sure they would of been in a position of responsibility to educate them so as this would not happen
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but not in this case
As this is a reoccuring situation that does not seem to be getting any better
I say what is the answer as the education that has been passed on through Western European and Indigenous folk alike doesnt seem to work
Yes in some respects a good hiding works in others a stern word is all that is needed
If the young people in question had the initiative to do something about saving their own lives they wouldnt have stolen a car and died no more than ten minutes later
In the instant they died they learnt a lesson ten seconds to late
Their parents have lost their sons and this in itself is the harshest lesson they can learn
If this is what it takes for the next generation to learn I say the lesson is to harsh and no one deserves to learn this way
Yes what they did was wrong in stealing someone elses property and thank god no one else was hurt but for those of you that think this is a justified outcome I say not !!!!!

It's not new, always have had unruly, undisciplined hooligans in society, that's why someone invented the word hooligan.

What is different is the enlightened social laws since the late 1960s and the trend towards community sentencing instead of placing the juenville in a detention centre.

As soon as l heard the news last night my first thought was Aboriginal youths, again the cultural myth makers talk about their family and environmental cultural values as being supposedly superior value, all l have ever seen is dysfunctional community causing problems for themselves and us and total sponge wasting billions in tax payers dollars.

My personal view is these sort of undisciplined unruly children should be removed to a remote open prison and taught values, work values, respect for property and others and not allowed back to the normal world till they have shown demonstrated change in attitude.

As for criminals lets drop the nonsense about rehabilitation and just concentrate on punishment and give extended jail time and drop the concept of parole and truth in sentencing and have mandatory sentencing for instance drink driving causing death is cheap murder at 3 years l would make it 15 years minimum.

Tragic, but is their own fault. They chose to steal the car and drive it in that manner. The buck stops with them and their irresponsible families who think it is a joke and they are being persecuted.
It is not the fault of Police, Education Dept etc, but theirs and theirs alone.
This sectionof the comunity have so many opportunities just handed to them for their alleged plight that most other kids and sections of the community have to work damn hard to get. It is all just a free ride to them and they do not respect anyone or anything.
Sorry but it is about time these kids were held accountable for their actions. The bill for the cleanup and insurances should be sent to the irresponsible parents. Its amazing the majority of us can bring our kids up not to do this or are truely concerned when they do get into trouble.
I am just glad they did not take out someone else as is usually the case.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I presume that those of you who are automatically blaming the parents have never seen a mother weeping as she admits that she can't stop her primary school age son from doing as he pleases.

The reason she can't control him is that every time she tells him to stop, he hits her.

I have seen that myself and have heard from reliable sources of other instances of similar cases of parents who live in fear of their children.

Not all of those children use physical violence to intimidate their parents. Others use psychological techniques that are just as effective.

While it might be possible to argue that they brought it on themselves by not bringing up their children correctly when they were younger, punishing those parents now won't achieve anything.

On the subject of bringing up children, it is a concern if some people really believe that it consists exclusively of belting the kids every time they step out of line.

The new series of ads aimed at telling parents that their drinking habits are an important factor influencing the kids' attitude towards binge drinking serves as a reminder that our example is an important part of raising children.

Appropriate discipline has a part to play, but there is more to bringing up children than that.

Parent do have a responsibility to do what they can to ensure that the children they produce make a positive contribution to society, but that does not mean that they should be punished every time they fail.

For many of them the disappointment of seeing their children turn out badly is a greater punishment than many of us could imagine.

Some of the parents who fail have brought it on themselves. Some have simply been overwhelmed by forces they were not equipped to cope with.

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I do not think anyone is doubting the grief, but they are also pretty good at putting it on for the cameras and when the media is gone giving the police a serve for picking on their kids cause they are black. Yes there are instances where parents have tried everything and failed and I applaud these parents for trying black and white.
Growing up in the eastern goldfields of WA I have first hand knowledge of this and seen it to many times to recount. But there are plenty that are good and I count a lot as friends. Being black is not an excuse or reason.
The biggest problem is a large percentage of this race have no respect for others or their property. This is not isolated to aboriginal people only either but they are the biggest offenders for such a small populous.
I really hope a solution can be found, but until people accept responsability for their actions we are on a never ending roundabout.
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I blame the parents and justice system devised by our many pollies, and the do gooders who insist we must keep compensating for so called past injustices.
I was coming back from holiday via the NW Coastal Hwy a couple of weeks ago and the cops sent a message on Ch 40 that there was a high speed chase heading for Port Hedland and within a couple of minutes they went passed us at about 140kph with smoke pouring out of an elderly Falcon wagon.
The cops eventually got past and hit the brakes causing the Falcon to rearend them and the male thieves took off into the bush leaving a woman behind.
They were all caught but a copper I met later (not involved in the chase) said there was no point in catching them because they'd go to court, all get fined, then in the corridor outside the courtroom the ALS would write a cheque for the fine amount and they'd pay it to the court!!!
All done, fine paid, go out and do it again.
Their fines are paid so there's no penalty,legal bills all paid for, medical all paid for, education all paid for, housing all paid for, everything free except beer and smokes and we pay for that as well really.
And the good ones, and there are plenty, get very little credit as they're all tarred with the same brush.
What an absolute joke.
Alan.