109, 110 and County - How many seats for Rego?

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Originally Posted by longing4alandy

If your 109/110 is regi'd as an omnibus, can you use bus only lanes? Or does your numberplate have to have MO on it to do that?

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LOL. That's a benefit I hadn't thought of!;)

The main issue appeared to be how many seats were fitted with seat belts. I have two positions in the front and three on the bench. There is no seating in the rear and although you could put small bench type seats in there there are no seat belts and nothing I can identify as mounting points for belts. Since I have no use for the rear seats and didn't want the extra expense and complications they told me would be required to keep the nine seat status I was quite happy to fill out a form which declared it a 5 seater. When I had done that they were willing to change the shape code (and seating capacity) on the rego without any inspections or being 'engineered'.
However, since this is the RTA we are talking about I'm concerned things will not be as simple as they told me and I wanted to check what others had experienced.

You will find you have to do it all again next year with the RTA.

Mine is listed as a 10 seater, although only has seats and belts for five. I'm planning to put centre middle back in real soon now, and maybe a pair of forward facing in the back, making it into an eight seater.:eek:

I took a look at the rego and the body shape is listed as a PVW. The only link I could find for codes was this -
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...ds/vib4201.pdf

which doesn't go up to PVW, PV equals panel van, so maybe panel van wagon.

Cheers
Simon

When I went to change the rego on my county from nsw to qld, the inspector insisted it was a nine seater :eek: although it only has 5 seats. It was registered in nsw as a five seater, said on the nsw registration document it was a five seater but the the lady inspector said " No, it's says here it's a nine seater "
So when she inspected the five seats and seatbelts, she said the other four seats were the metal rear wheel arches :p but I couldn't use them as there were no seatbelts !! (So how had it been registered before as a nine seater ??)She also said it wasn't a county but a troopcarrier.
She then insisted if I wanted to use it I would have to fit seatbelts to the wheelarches :p and then take it back for another inspection.
After about 2 hours of this nonsense I spoke to another inspector, he said much the same as the other one.I then spoke to another who agreed with me, that if I went and had a mod plate fitted stating that it was a five seater, then I could register the vehicle no problem. The vehicle already has a mod plate fitted because the front seats were changed for Honda Accord ones, but whoever fitted this mod plate didn't say how many seats were fitted !!
So after I spent $105.00 on another mod plate, I returned to register the vehicle, must have been my lucky day as the lady was really nice and pleasant,she couldn't understand why ?? it had to be done, but passed it all with flying colours and gave me new plates :D

I'm wondering if my earlier problems were started by the fact that said inspector was slightly overweight, had to perch on a wobbly stool to even see under the bonnet and couldn't find the engine number !!!

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Originally Posted by jerryd

When I went to change the rego on my county from nsw to qld, the inspector insisted it was a nine seater :eek: although it only has 5 seats. It was registered in nsw as a five seater, said on the nsw registration document it was a five seater but the the lady inspector said " No, it's says here it's a nine seater "
So when she inspected the five seats and seatbelts, she said the other four seats were the metal rear wheel arches :p but I couldn't use them as there were no seatbelts !! (So how had it been registered before as a nine seater ??)She also said it wasn't a county but a troopcarrier.
She then insisted if I wanted to use it I would have to fit seatbelts to the wheelarches :p and then take it back for another inspection.
After about 2 hours of this nonsense I spoke to another inspector, he said much the same as the other one.I then spoke to another who agreed with me, that if I went and had a mod plate fitted stating that it was a five seater, then I could register the vehicle no problem. The vehicle already has a mod plate fitted because the front seats were changed for Honda Accord ones, but whoever fitted this mod plate didn't say how many seats were fitted !!
So after I spent $105.00 on another mod plate, I returned to register the vehicle, must have been my lucky day as the lady was really nice and pleasant,she couldn't understand why ?? it had to be done, but passed it all with flying colours and gave me new plates :D

I'm wondering if my earlier problems were started by the fact that said inspector was slightly overweight, had to perch on a wobbly stool to even see under the bonnet and couldn't find the engine number !!!

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Unfortunately they were right because of the silly QLD rules (see the link I posted on the first page). Your compliance plate probably says 9 seater omnibus. In QLD if you PERMANENTLY remove seats you need a mod plate...

For whatever reason, mine has been reg'd as a "PVF" since before I got it, with no changes to the compliance plate or extra plate fitted. I have the wheel arch seats temporarily removed though...

Is rego cheaper for a "PVF" ???

Laurie

Might be worth noting that having fitted captive nuts for the two 1/4" bolts holding the rear seats in, it takes me about five minutes to remove or replace them. Am I expected to get it plated every time I do this?

Landrovers are certainly not the only vehicle in this position - for example seats are readily removable from many people movers.

John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Might be worth noting that having fitted captive nuts for the two 1/4" bolts holding the rear seats in, it takes me about five minutes to remove or replace them. Am I expected to get it plated every time I do this?

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If I have understood what I read from isuzurover's link it doesn't matter if you temporarily remove seats provided the capability remains to re-install them. The seating capacity of the vehicle is not changed by how many seats are in it at a particular time. However at rego inspection time all the seats must be present and correct to demonstrate you have not modified the vehicle.
It seems the police can still defect your vehicle, should they feel so inclined, if it is being driven around with fewer (or more) seats than stated on the rego. I've no idea what the consequences of that would be. Anyone?

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Originally Posted by DiscoDave

<snip> I've no idea what the consequences of that would be. Anyone?

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In NSW if you get a Defect Notice you have to repair the defect at an authorised place, get them to sign off on it, take the notice back to RTA and get them to clear it. Fines follow if you don't comply.

Cheers
Simon

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Originally Posted by abaddonxi

In NSW if you get a Defect Notice you have to repair the defect at an authorised place, get them to sign off on it, take the notice back to RTA and get them to clear it. Fines follow if you don't comply.

Cheers
Simon

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Exactly, however that would only be the case if the person issuing the Defect Notice had deemed that you had PERMANENTLY altered the seating capacity, rather than temporarily.

I can't see this being a common issue. Apparently QLD is the least lenient. i.e. if you have a set of shelves/draws in the back of your 4x4 where a seat used to be, then they will deem that you have permanently removed the 3rd row seats.

For the record, In my county I had the 3rd row seats fitted (but only 2 out of the 4 seat belts (how I bought it)) when I first went through RWC/Rego (QLD). I then removed the seats (left the belts in) and drove the car for 5 years like that - in QLD and NSW.

I then refitted the seats (and the 2 missing belts), and went through RWC and rego in WA. Then the last 2 years I have been driving again without 3rd row seats in WA. No problems.

I will be removing the 2nd row seating when I do the canning next year! but will be refitting the seat afterwards.