Wizard
109, 110 and County - How many seats for Rego?
Recently I went to the RTA to change ownership on a vehicles Rego as I've just aquired another Land Rover (For pity sake! Is there no cure?) and there was much sucking of teeth and muttering between staff members. Finally they came back to me and asked "is it a bus?" (no) and "how many seats with seatbelts fitted does it have?" (5).
It seems the difficulty was the shape code on the current rego papers was SBS. This, I was told, in the beaurocratic universe means the vehicle is a 'small bus', has exactly nine seats and would be subject to an annual heavy vehicle inspection as well as higher CTP costs. They also said if I wanted to keep it in that category I would need to get a blue slip to renew the rego.
They referred me to a letter circulated in 2006 entitled "Seating information required for your vehicle" which includes a customer declaration that can be used to change the seating capacity but implies that you need all kinds of documentation to do this.
The staff were very helpful and got me to fill out the declaration on the spot and changed (not without some complexity) the shape code of my 110 so it is now a WAG.
I have just checked the rego on my 109 which I renewed in January and it also has a shape code SBS. Nothing was said to me at the time and there were no queries about seating or requirements for a blue slip.
Has anyone else experienced this 'problem'? Should I expect difficulties when renewing the rego on the 109? (originally complianced for 11 seats now 10 due to buckets in the front, in reality only has two seats plus two of the benches in the back). Does this compromise my CTP or other insurance when I drive the 109 around at the moment?
Swaggie
My 110 county is a 9 seater - AFAIK they ALL came from the factory like that.
It was registered in NSW as a 9 seater to the 2 POs. I have registered it in QLD and WA as a 9 seater - no problems.
You will find that the vin plate on every county wagon says "omnibus"
This may be of some interest?
http://4wdnews.org/cms/index.php?nam...rticle&sid=178
RoverLord
Mine is described as SBS - seating capacity nine. I had a blue with them some years ago over exactly the sort of thing you have, only the other way - they wanted it to be five.
I suspect that they may have been available with or without the extra seats. Check the compliance plate on the firewall - if it says "omnibus" it should have nine seats and you will have to get it engineered (which is ridiculous!) to have only five.
The extra compliance inspections and fees start at ten seats, not nine, which does suggest you may have problems with the 109.
I would point out that I have nothing but contempt for the RTA - it took me years to get this corrected, and I have given up on my 109, which is a ute, although described on the rego as a table top ute; they tell me that in 1970 Landrover did not make a conventional ute. This despite the fact that they inspected it themselves when I moved from Victoria.
At least they are better than AAMI insurance who told me that Landrover made no vehicles before 1980!
John
Last edited by JDNSW; 19th November 2008 at 02:34 PM. Reason: addition
John
JDNSW
1986 110 County 3.9 diesel
1970 2a 109 2.25 petrol
TopicToaster
If your 109/110 is regi'd as an omnibus, can you use bus only lanes? Or does your numberplate have to have MO on it to do that?
If your living in Sydney, maybe it would be worth the hassles of the bus rego if you couldOriginally Posted by longing4alandy
The 109 may not be an issue as it is how many factory fitted seat belts (or seat belts that have been fitted and engineered).
The 109 probably doesnt have seat belts fitted or belts factory fitted so that may be a loop hole you can exploit.
I think it would work in Vic but Vic roads are dumb and can be talked around most of the time if you can translate the guidelines to suit yourself
Fossicker
SubscriberMy 1984 110 Station Wagon was a 10-seater, but the previous owner had 2 seats removed (!) and has a compliance plate to prove it. This was done for the reasons described above - to avoid lunatic bureaucracy!
As far as I know all 110s with the LT95 box were at least capable of being 10 seaters as you can fit three across the front seat (if you feel friendly).
Cheers
Michael
110 300tdi (1999)
110 V8 County (1984)
SIII 'Game' (1977)
RoverLord
That is interesting - I have yet to see one with a front centre seat, although I know they exist. Certainly I have seen a lot with only two front seats. As the compliance plates from that vintage apparently don't list the number of passengers, it is a bit hard to confirm.
John
John
John
JDNSW
1986 110 County 3.9 diesel
1970 2a 109 2.25 petrol
Master
Previous owner had bucket seats, I changed it back to standard l/r 3seats. The guy who did my roadworthy asked me you want 2 or 3 seats, 3, thats why i changed it back. off to QLD tpt get rego, your sticker will come in the mail here's your plates, thank you.
Screw plates on great I'm on the road. Sticker arrives oh no 2 seats on the sticker, they didn't even read my roadworthy slip, just renewed the old rego. This is my fault apparently. So $60 for another roadworthy and $50 for a compliance because I have changed it back to standard.
It will stay as 2 seats until I put the seats in the tray to make 11 seater to make the $110 worthwhile
I hate qld tpt
Swaggie
Bugger I never have any problems with my 10 seater 109 1978 model in NSW, Tasmania or Qld. Looks like that the rules are more strict now
Wizard
my 88 110 CSW is plated as an 'omnibus' and registered as a 10 seater - 3 front, 3 middle, 2x2 in the rear.
Although I doubt many of them still run around with all 10 seats in place (mine does).
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