Thread: Police shoot 15yo boy in Melbourne

Well Done Coppers !!!

If three coppers independently decide a double tap to centre of seen mass is justified then it IS ... good enough for me

That future inmate made a series of decisions which resulted in his own death

tough titties, you lose (loser)

My sympathies go to the coppers who were there and had to make one hell of a tough decision.
I don't envy them at all and we should all thank them, not only for this time for every time and all the next times.

Dont bring a knife to a gun fight.

I'm with blknight.aus.

Ive been peper spary at work, for work. (not Cops)
I would do the gas house with out a gas mask,
then go through peper spray again.

To have 2 cans emptyed on you, some thing is wrong with you.

I under stand the trainging

As it has been already said,
the situation escalated,
through trying to talk to him,
a couple of cans of OC.
officers had no other choices left.
BUT
3 with 2 shoots ea. to one with meat cleavers.
IMHO
excessive force was used.


I was not there.

The average person can cover 25 feet in the time it takes someone to draw a pistol from a holster. A motivated person with a knife will be able to kill an armed person within this range. Shooting at the largest mass reduces chances of stray bullets killing randoms behind the target. Shoot till the threat stops. A wounded person on their feet can still kill you.
If you've got the choice between verbal judo, hand tactics, OC spray, baton and gun, guess which one gets used against a knife. A taser would have been a useful addition.

Originally Posted by Xavie

Well, I don't see why it needed to be a chest shot. And 6 rounds!!! I don't give any credibility to those who say when you have adrenaline going you can't take a limb shot.
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Poor fella and his relatives.

Obviously never shot any sort of firearm then.
It isn't easy, and they were over 10m away.

They are also taught to 'double tap'. (just seen a few others have mentioned this)
I'm not a cop, never have been however one of my best mates, who I've known for over thirty years is a former 'Defensive Skills Instructor' for a major region of a certain Federal Govt Agency, and still carries a firearm in the field when required.
Handguns and accuracy are an oxymoron so you are taught to aim for the centre of the largest visible mass.

Any death is regrettable, and those coppers will be going through the wringer now, just in a different way to the young fella's family.

It will be interesting to see the toxicological results of the autopsy.
My tip is drugs, any 'normal' person won't fight through two cans of OC

This kind of thing is why one of my best mates has just handed his badge in
Has come to close to many times trying to reason with irrational individuals with an unwanted out come.
This one was sad for a youth but what was he thinking.

Tony

I should see IF I can get the vids of some of the weapons handling in the weapon training simulation system...

once of them is a single person acting up and its your job to deal with the situation All you have is your words, actions and weapon (the f88 5.56mm semi/full auto assult urm "rifle" 30 round mag)

going by adf tactics we dont do anything without a 3:1 advantage, you send a man we'll send 3, you send a patrol we'll send a section, you send a section we'll send a platoon you get the idea. so usually for facing down our one agressor you get 3 people, usually the person in the center is in charge with 2 flankers.

we all get the same training and in theory should all make the same decision at the same time.

its not uncommon that when old mate pulls his pistol that all 3 people will snap off a shot with less than half a second from first to last shot. when that happens usually if taken outside individually and asked who shot first all participants will say I did I know I have and I was the last to fire a full half second after the first person took a shot and I was the guy in the middle.

when it gets down to that its all shooting by instinct and trust me when its at the instict level you do what your training tells you, you aim at the center and you fire and you keep firing and adjusting until the target goes away. some guys get 5 shots off and only the last 2 or 3 will even be in the target.

for my money if 3 cops engaged at about the same time (Im talking fractions of a second not "sympathetic backup" fire) and they all double tapped (we're not trained to do that we aim for the first round first hit) because that was what they were trained to do then that in itself is justification enough for their actions...

heres the other thing...

Im dead set certain that they gave warnings, I dont even need to go and read the full artical. The warnings would have been given before the pepper spray came out, it would have been given when hands went for weapons it would have been given as safeties were pulled off.

IF your dumb enough to be waving meat cleavers at someone with a loaded weapon (let alone 3) whose telling you to stop then your gene pool deserves chlorination.

Don't police carry batons any more?

Three on one.
Give the warning, use pepper spray,tackle him from behind, use baton and tackle him, then the gun.
I feel sorry for police to have to deal with this but surely a few burly coppers should have been able to take down a teenager.

Originally Posted by antvc

Don't police carry batons any more?

Three on one.
Give the warning, use pepper spray,tackle him from behind, use baton and tackle him, then the gun.
I feel sorry for police to have to deal with this but surely a few burly coppers should have been able to take down a teenager.

Not to make light of an awfull situation, but have you seen the size of the wollopers these days?

They don't call them smurfs for nothing.