Thread: Police shoot 15yo boy in Melbourne

you can't protect others unless you protect yourself!

some people see "looking after number one" as a selfish act....but it is true you should, because if you dont look after number one then you wont be around to look after the others you love or care greatly about.

Originally Posted by dullbird

you can't protect others unless you protect yourself!

some people see "looking after number one" as a selfish act....but it is true you should, because if you dont look after number one then you wont be around to look after the others you love or care greatly about.

correct and that gets ingrained into you at every first aid course when you do the basics of DRABC....

this is the version of it I use and its amazing just how many situations its applicable to.

Danger

to yourself, you cant help the initial victim if you become one yourself
to other people, why work harder than you need to one victim is enough
the victim, hes already in a world of hurt dont let it get worse if you dont have to (and it makes your life easier)

Response

what do you need to do to handle the situation
Can you organise backup now
Is the victim responding

Airway
Breathing
Circulation

DRABCD now

Danger
Response
Airway
Breathing
Circulation
Defibrillation

Jeez they change their knickers less

Interesting Post !.

I think we are going to see more of this sort of crap.

The kid, given what is posted, was a bit loose. How does the system manage these sort?, softly softly, untill they do what this guy has done.

Then due to the person getting totaly out of control, he gets tagged and now the police will have to show cause for all thier actions. Bett all the bleeding hearts would have said SFA if he had killed someone first. Good thing the police did the job they needed to do. I'm sure the police involved wont see this as a career highlight.

Yes sad for the family but what if he had gone on to kill another person/s.
Hanging with a gang at 15 wasnt the smartest thing.

I'd put money on it he was full of meth. If people dont know about it, do some research on what it has done in America. The stuff is super addictive, the dickheads on it are totaly out of control. Its cheap and easy to produce. I have a mate who is an Police officer down south, his biggest issue atm is the violance and other behaviour produced by the meth/ice users.

The poor Police, ambo's, health workers etc are on a daily basis exposed to the worst that our society throws at them. They soldier on under a ****house funding regime. Day after day. They have to deal with aspects of humanity that many will never be exposed too. Aspects, that many of us couldnt deal with.

I thinks its sad the status of public service does not hold what it once did. The level of repect for the law and its enforcers is so poor now among the younger kids.

I think therer is a bigger issue here. The issue of what as a society we are going to tolerate. What do we need to do the create a safe, community focused, progessive society.

The system now alows kids like this to get involved in gang stuff, commit crime and have total diregard for the society. The system is now, "oh poor you, mummy didnt tell you she loved you enough", so go right ahead, rape pilage and plunder. The youth courts cant "deal" with these kids. I'm not stating they should be horse wiped but a real sanction system should be addopted and enforced. Lets "de ******" them before the get sent to uncle Rob at the big house.

I think we need to get through all the political correctness and start to deal with things. What we dont need is a US Gang styled ****** thing to become entrenched here. Gang warfare, ethnic or criminal based gangs/groups need to get sorted.

Sad the kid died, sad his actions compelled the Police involved to do something that will stay with them for life. The whole thing stated because the bloke got totaly out of control.

Well my to bobs...

Richard

Today I was travelling out to my property to check what the winds had done, and as I was turning right in the roundabout to go out of town a Falcon ute cane flying in from the opposite direction just before I turned. As I looked at it I thought that he was keen to get in before me, and I was secretly impressed that he had a vehicle that performed and wasn't afraid to use it. Prob about 20m before the roundabout there was smoke coming off his rears, though they weren't locked. I assumed he'd done this before judging by his entry speed which would have been about 100km/h when he actually came into the round about. Despite washing off speed it was hooting fast and the tyres were deforming as they do on the race track, but I do the same roundabout at 60km/h in the Disco with 33's, 4" and a steel ARB rack. As he's come in and the rear wheel smoke never stopped, and as he changed direction from left to right as if to go straight through the back came around. I thought he was going to slide sideways into the gutter and flip it. The rear kept coming around and it jumped the gutter thankfully, exiting backwards before took out a sign with the rear end.

I took the out of town exit and pulled over onto the side of the road and as I check the mirrors a police car on the picks (brakes) pulled up nosed into his direction but still in the round about. The officer jumped out with his pistol aimed directly at the ute - I couldn't hear what was said. It was at this time that I suddenly had reservations about getting out of the car, and it then dawned on me that if I did get out that I could get shot by whoever was in the ute and that there was clearly a problem with the driver that could have been anything. The policeman approached the ute with his pistol, handcuffed and removed the driver onto the ground between the police car and the ute and then walked back to his car. A black 4WD stopped at the roundabout to presumably help and I assumed saw the whole thing also, though I'm not sure what was said, or what decisions were made, but he then drove off. It was then that I realised that this copper was by himself dealing with this situation and that he must have called for backup or given a location. This all just happened in what seemed like a split second. An unmarked car then pulled up when I then got out to walk up to the scene. By the time I'd crossed the highway and was half way there another unmarked pulled up.

The ute driver was on his red P's. He was young, had dyed hair, was on his knees and was handcuffed. He was no doubt considering how much trouble he was in, whos fault it was, how many police there was, what was going to happen and how his life was about to change as he stared straight ahead. His girlfriend sat motionless in the passengers seat looking stunned and probably wondering what had happened while glad to be alive.

As I walked up one of the first to arrive backup policeman asked if he could help me. I said I saw the lot, it happened right in front of me and explained briefly what happened. He took my details on his hand and will probably go back to the station and wash them - that his call. He told me that they'd call me later and to go and calm down a bit. That surprised me as I don't react like that. As I walked back, it was stunning to see the skids. 2 perfectly formed marks which I couldn't see the beginning of coming directly into and through the roundabout. Such a schoolboy error.

Anyway I walked back to the Disco and headed out to my property while reflecting a little on the situation and also some of the comments that were in this thread.

The copper that was in pursuit was on his own as far as I know.
That copper had the balls to get out and approach someone that was clearly irrational where anything could have happened.
That copper had no idea if he was going to get shot back at and was completely unprotected and had no offsider. He risked absolutely everything that related to him, be it material, family and his one and only life.
That copper dealt with the situation appropriately.

While this was happening I sat in the car, watching through the mirror, not getting out because I didn't know what was going to happen or if I would be in mortal danger.

There were comments in this thread about this kid in Melbourne that got shot, saying that the capsicum spray didn't work and they should have used battons rather than shooting him. I disagreed with that thought, but this whole incident really drove it home to me that these officers are putting absolutely everything on the line to keep you and me safe from this type of crap and there is absolutely no reason why they should have to go through ****y little stages of dealing with the situation and esculating their personal risk to do the job. The risk is already way too high - like waaaay too high. ok, they choose to do it, but we need them to do it.

We sit here in the comfort of our houses in front of computers and chat about what they should of done and how they could have done it better. The media would present it as "Police pull pistol on sweet teenage couple" and all of that type of thing trying to present a hard done by kiddie story when infact he was not at all, while those that keep the place safe get slammed once again.

Although occasionally some of us have to wear one, I take my hat off to them and have now realised that despite knowing what they do, I really had no appreciation of the significance of the personal commitment to what they are doing.

Well said Slunnie.

not a hard choice for the policeman

do i get to go home in one piece and spend the evening with my family...or

take my chances and my family visits me in hospital or worst case they attend my send off at the church

i will never have problems with these so called trigger happy policemen.......cause i would never threaten ones life

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

* Tyler Cassidy is involved in a fight at family home in Northcote, and takes two knives but family members disarm him.
* Tyler leaves the house angry and upset and goes to Northcote Plaza shopping centre. He goes into K-Mart store and steals two knives, according to a witness. He slashed boxes as he left armed with the knives. Police are contacted.

* Tyler is seen behaving irrationally with the knives in the centre carpark and goes to All Nations Park next to the shopping centre. More calls to police are made.
* Four police officers - two males and two females - arrive and try to negotiate with the boy.
* He approaches officers so they deploy capsicum spray, but it does not subdue him.
* Tyler urges police to kill him or he will kill them. He approaches one officer and a warning shot is fired. He ignores demands to back off and three of the four officers fire, killing him.

after tracking down archive copies of the websites related to the mob he associated with I have 2 things that I need to say and I dont care who it ****es off.

1. looking at all the info available yep hes a right mummies little boy nothing is ever his fault his parents never did anything wrong and in all probability anyone who thought other wise must have been seriously deranged or judmentalist or a fascist pig... well thats what the family would have you believe now where have I seen this before? oh yeah in the psycologists descriptions of how most families described their convicted mass murdering relatives.

Yep, funny how that side of things didn't make the news along with the emotive images of his poor parents grieving. Obviously a well behaved, loving little child with his whole life ahead of him...

As for those who think it was excessive force, or who think that at 10m range faced with a nutter wielding two meat cleavers, their adrenaline pumping, and in fear of their lives, that officers with nothing more than service weapons (As in, not highly accurate target pistols under controlled range conditions and with static targets) should go for non-lethal shots....get real. Go try it and see how easy it is....

The fact that three officers each reached the decision to fire at the same time tells me something happened where they all felt an escalation of force was necessary (I somehow doubt they had time to hold a meeting about it), and the fact they (presumably) each fired only two shots tells me they weren't in the least "trigger happy" as has been suggested.

Our sympathies should lie with the officers - this will haunt them for ever, made worse by the fact they'll go through hell in the next few months because the press and some members of the public will want them blamed because to say it was the fault of the boy would be to admit our social policies and "softly softly" approach to scum bags really isn't working....