Thread: Look out for all the coppers on the road

Originally Posted by numpty

That's a rather ridiculous thing to say in my humble opinion.

Why,

Laws are made for all!!!!!

Bull dust, they are made to cover the lowest rung in the evolutionary ladder, and boost state revenue...(explane why spelling mistake can cost 3 points and a laarge fine then)

You are inferring that the so called "stupid" people (a very subjective thing to say) should be governed in what they do in a vehicle, but "those who can actually drive" (who says?) should be able to do whatever they wish.

no i'm not what i'm saying is there are some very stupid rules out there for the stupid majority, the road rules should not be set at the lowest gene level but somewhere in the middle and those that dont pass should'nt have a bloody licence...and there are some very stupid peope out there

There will always be drivers with more ability than others, just as there are blokes who can fix cars and those that can't. Doesn't make the latter stupid........does it?

No but those that carnt fix cars dont have a licence to say they can...an those that can do

Originally Posted by numpty

Laws are made for all!!!!!

You are inferring that the so called "stupid" people (a very subjective thing to say) should be governed in what they do in a vehicle, but "those who can actually drive" (who says?) should be able to do whatever they wish.

Laws may cover everyone, but they are in place to protect/punish those who need them, those who dont will do perfectly fine without them

Originally Posted by numpty

There will always be drivers with more ability than others, just as there are blokes who can fix cars and those that can't. Doesn't make the latter stupid........does it?

unfortunately, as a recent trial in the UK has found, being incompetent with a toolkit is just as lethal as being incompetent behind the wheel..... i'm with tony on this one, theres a LOT of people out there on the roads who shouldnt have a licence

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

As to the member who received a lecture from a copper for the "life threatening offence" of driving 14k's over the limit on a clear highway I say this. The copper was doing his job by enforcing the law but was clearly out of order in giving the lecture. It is not his place to do so, and the offence was clearly not "life threatening". The copper should have issued the ticket and left it to the driver to dispute the issue and make his case before a magistrate..

thankyou! (tho i think i should still point out for those of us who are convinced otherwise, i had no problem with the ticket, and i WILL be paying the fine, not disputing it in court)

Originally Posted by tony

with the amount of serious crime shootings stabbings drugs etc etc surely those who are paid to protect and serve would be better employed directing there energy's to wards stooping these offenders than fineing somebody who hasn't got a seat belt on or hiding behind bridge supports with radar gun....

ahh, but you see, speeding, no seatbelts, talking on mobiles, etc make the politicians look good in the media and seen to be doing something when the police go on a blitz and catch people being naughty.......

shootings, stabbings, drugs, rapes, etc..... how often do they get as much airplay in the evening news as when someone loses control and smacks into a power pole?

and the biggest factor you're forgetting?

putting thieves, murderers, druggo's and rapists in jail costs money, right from the instant the crime is reported till the day the crim is released, money the government is loathe to spend

speeding/seatbelt/mobile phone offences..... all you need is one officer per car, so little expense, but it not only looks good in the media, but it MAKES THE GOVERNMENT MONEY

Originally Posted by tony

No but those that carnt fix cars dont have a licence to say they can...an those that can do

I (and many others on here) can fix almost everything in my car if I have the equipment needed... and no mechanics licence to say I can and I don't have to prove it to anyone that I have (or not) the ability to (for example) install a drive shaft.


speeding fines are no doubt sometimes generated by lazy police personnel in the simplest way they can do it - if that means hiding behind a 50km/hr zone sign on a downhill stretch to catch the law breakers then SOME police will do this. By far the majority do not, but it does not mean they all do....

Some funny comments in this tread - laws are apparently only for stupid people at the bottom of the evolutionary order. So I guess there must be some very stupid people on AULRO then who have been caught in RBT's, speeding, red lights, driving a defender like it's a WRX...

I stand by my previous comment that laws are made for all. Whether you think they are made for people with lower abilities than yourself, doesn't alter the fact that we are all covered by them and are expected to abide by them. I have certain rules and regulations which I must abide by in my occupation. Whether I agree with them or not doesn't enter into it......if I wish to keep my job.

I must have missed something earlier (and I am not stupid) but could you explain about spelling mistakes and larger fines.

Originally Posted by Sprint

Laws may cover everyone, ...<snip> Yes they do and should, including people like Justice Einfeld who was not on the low rung of the evolutionary ladder <snip>...
unfortunately, as a recent trial in the UK has found, being incompetent with a toolkit is just as lethal as being incompetent behind the wheel..... i'm with tony on this one, theres a LOT of people out there on the roads who shouldn't have a licence...<snip>

I have news for you, a lot of people who are out there don't have a licence. Despite being "permanent residents" required to have a local licence, many are driving on international licences which means they have never been tested on Australian Road Rules, many others have had their licences suspended or cancelled while others have never bothered to get one. (A recent fatal accident in Sydney witnessed by a member on this forum had a driver in the first group mentioned above.)

So in light of the above I applaud the Police actions of RBT stations, where they sometimes check every car driving a particular road and they get extra points from me for using new technology which identifies vehicles that are unregistered or the car's owner is identified as having outstanding warrants.

If it gets people off the road who shouldn't be there I think its great. Unfortunately those who have had their licence cancelled often ignore the fact and continue to drive. In fact I was involved in a case where this was exactly the situation. A driver had his licence suspended, continued to drive so had the licence formally cancelled and was banned from holding a licence for 5 years. He continued to drive and even drove to the the NSW Supreme Court where he was to appear on the charges and parked illegally outside Court in front of the Police who were there to prosecute him.

Diana

Originally Posted by numpty

I stand by my previous comment that laws are made for all. Whether you think they are made for people with lower abilities than yourself, doesn't alter the fact that we are all covered by them and are expected to abide by them. I have certain rules and regulations which I must abide by in my occupation. Whether I agree with them or not doesn't enter into it......if I wish to keep my job.

Numpty, I never said they weren't if you read what is written instead of reading what you imagine is written I said that the laws were made to the lowest common denominator .... nothing at all about my abilities.

We all have certain rules that we have to abide by, so you're not alone. Unfortunately, there are people out there who ask why, not just blindly obey (even though they do follow the rules).

I must have missed something earlier (and I am not stupid) but could you explain about spelling mistakes and larger fines.

I never said you were, but you apparently have to reinforce the fact that you're not ... the subject thread was about road rules and the futility of some of them, obviously you don't have a heavy vehicle licence, or you would know with .gov's intent to improve road safety, if you incorrectly spell an Australian place name in your heavy vehicle log book, you can now be fined, and lose 3 points. Now if this is not a stupid law, and anyone who thinks it isn't must have rocks in their heads, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by Sprint

Laws may cover everyone, but they are in place to protect/punish those who need them, those who dont will do perfectly fine without them

Yep, fully agree.


unfortunately, as a recent trial in the UK has found, being incompetent with a toolkit is just as lethal as being incompetent behind the wheel..... i'm with tony on this one, theres a LOT of people out there on the roads who shouldnt have a licence

Yep, fully agree.

thankyou! (tho i think i should still point out for those of us who are convinced otherwise, i had no problem with the ticket, and i WILL be paying the fine, not disputing it in court)

Yep, fully agree. I do the same, if I get sprung speeding, not wearing a seat belt, etc, etc, I've broken the law. It was my choice, and I'll wear the consequences, as I have done on many an occasion, because as I have stated previously, most of the road rules are there for the Numpties of this world.

ahh, but you see, speeding, no seatbelts, talking on mobiles, etc make the politicians look good in the media and seen to be doing something when the police go on a blitz and catch people being naughty.......

Yep, fully agree.

shootings, stabbings, drugs, rapes, etc..... how often do they get as much airplay in the evening news as when someone loses control and smacks into a power pole?

Yep, fully agree. But it's a shame the people who vote these morons in, can't see through the hype, and think for themselves, our politicians are paid by us, are supposed to represent the majoritys' opinion in their law making, and they don't ... because the majority of people are too stupid to be able to make decisions for themselves anymore, Nanny state is right.

and the biggest factor you're forgetting?

putting thieves, murderers, druggo's and rapists in jail costs money, right from the instant the crime is reported till the day the crim is released, money the government is loathe to spend

speeding/seatbelt/mobile phone offences..... all you need is one officer per car, so little expense, but it not only looks good in the media, but it MAKES THE GOVERNMENT MONEY

Too bloody true blue! As I've said, the Numpties of this world will believe everything they're told and read without ever making an informed decision of their own.

ps my use of the word "Numpties" in no way is intended to single out the Numptys' of this forum. Numpties is just another word for "sheeple" in my vocabulary.

Originally Posted by EchiDna

So I guess there must be some very stupid people on AULRO then who have been caught in RBT's, speeding, red lights, driving a defender like it's a WRX...

you can drive a deefer like a WRX?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

more seriously though, if you get busted at an RBT, it makes you no stupider than when you decided to drive while intoxicated, it just sucks to be you that got caught!

Lotz-A-Landies, i know what you're talking about, although my comment was more aimed at those who actually have a valid Australian drivers licence, but little competency behind the wheel

Originally Posted by numpty

I must have missed something earlier (and I am not stupid) but could you explain about spelling mistakes and larger fines.

truckies get fined if a town name is mis-spelt or abbreviated in thier logbooks

Originally Posted by EchiDna

I (and many others on here) can fix almost everything in my car if I have the equipment needed... and no mechanics licence to say I can and I don't have to prove it to anyone that I have (or not) the ability to (for example) install a drive shaft.

Mate it never fails to amaze me how people can take things so personally on an Internet forum...I don't care if you're the worlds greatest spanner swinger in the universe, the LAW says you must be LICENSED to work on a motor vehicle that is not yours... so if you put a spanner on a vehicle that doesn't belong to you for any type of reward you would be breaking the law.....and as for removing nuts and bolts (4 each end on a drive shaft) they have trained dolphins to plant and remove sea mines and monkeys to fly space craft so changing a drive shaft is not up there with rocket science...


speeding fines are no doubt sometimes generated by lazy police personnel in the simplest way they can do it - if that means hiding behind a 50km/hr zone sign on a downhill stretch to catch the law breakers then SOME police will do this. By far the majority do not, but it does not mean they all do....

Couldn't agree more

Some funny comments in this tread - laws are apparently only for stupid people at the bottom of the evolutionary order. So I guess there must be some very stupid people on AULRO then who have been caught in RBT's, speeding, red lights, driving a defender like it's a WRX...

No they're not stupid they made a choice, for what ever reason....and no doubt wear the consequences without making a fuss.

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