county and defender whats the difference?

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Originally Posted by slug_burner

Other differences

110 in County trim have galvanised coloured capping where defender's capping is colour coded.

I am told that Defenders have thinner panels? not sure about this one but perhaps they need to be thcker to withstand the vibrations from the isuzu:D

Defenders at least the 300Tdi (94 0nwards) have 24 spline rear axles (don't know about the 200 Tdi) whereas 110 County have 10 spline, 24 spline reputed to be better than 10.

From the county 110 to defender they changed to hub seals where the county ran in oil the defender ran greased bearings. Many people change the defender seal to county seals to reverse this change as it is thought that oiled bearings are better.

Other things already covered a/c, rear discs

between the 200 Tdi and 300 Tdi the 300 has the better R380 instead of the LT77 gear box.

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Most of these changes you and others above list did not happen with the the change from "County" to Defender. For example, the push button door locks and the galvanised trim change were before the Defender name and the rear wheel discs and grease lubricated wheel bearings after the change (and not at the same time).

I don't know if panel thickness has changed, but it would not have been for the benefit of the Isuzu - their body is identical to the V8.

The point is there has been continuous development of the vehicle since 1983, and the change from "County" to Defender is no more significant than any other changes made in the last twenty-five years, and less than some. It stands out as more of a break because there was about a two year hiatus when the Defender was not sold here.

John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

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The point is there has been continuous development of the vehicle since 1983,
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John

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What's the grammatically correct word for the opposite to 'development' that explains what has happened since about 1990 ? :D

remained undeveloped

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

<snip> ... I don't know if panel thickness has changed, but it would not have been for the benefit of the Isuzu - their body is identical to the V8.

The point is there has been continuous development of the vehicle since 1983, and the change from "County" to Defender is no more significant than any other changes made in the last twenty-five years, and less than some. It stands out as more of a break because there was about a two year hiatus when the Defender was not sold here.

John

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Some people may be tempted to snipe that rather than development many of the changes have been regression. i.e. ungalvanised cappings which now rust.

In regard to the panels, comparing the panels over many year models the metal thickness seems similar. What is obvious however is that the resistance to bending and denting has "regressed" which would indicate that the change has been in the metal itself. The natural assumption is that the amount of magnesium in the aluminium alloy may have been reduced or it may well now be pure aluminium a much softer (and cheaper) metal than AlMg.

Diana

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Originally Posted by rick130

What's the grammatically correct word for the opposite to 'development' that explains what has happened since about 1990 ? :D

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Regression, as Diana says, is the word you are looking for. Some of the changes have been improvements - I'll think of one in a moment. Most of the changes have been to make the vehicle more like its competitors, to reduce manufacturing costs by becoming more common with other products, changed manufacturing methods, take advantage of new developments - but probably most significant, a loss of vision as to what it is really being built for.

John

don't know about here but the UK TD's came before the TDI's (or at least I'm pretty sure they did)
and I also believe that they were called 110's and 90's before they were given the name defender......I think the defender may of come around early 92 our 90 is a defender but another guy who used to be on here who imported his 90 it was just a 90 plain and simple wasn't young enough to be a defender

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Originally Posted by dullbird

don't know about here but the UK TD's came before the TDI's (or at least I'm pretty sure they did)
and I also believe that they were called 110's and 90's before they were given the name defender......I think the defender may of come around early 92 our 90 is a defender but another guy who used to be on here who imported his 90 it was just a 90 plain and simple wasn't young enough to be a defender

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DB in the UK the TD did come before the TDi but in Oz the TD didn't make it as we had the locally produced 4BD1 with a few 4BD1-Ts so we went from 4BD1 to 200TDi.

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Originally Posted by dullbird

don't know about here but the UK TD's came before the TDI's (or at least I'm pretty sure they did)
and I also believe that they were called 110's and 90's before they were given the name defender......I think the defender may of come around early 92 our 90 is a defender but another guy who used to be on here who imported his 90 it was just a 90 plain and simple wasn't young enough to be a defender

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As mentioned above, the Defender name change was introduced at the same time as the Discovery (1989 in the UK, 1990 here from memory), and was simply so that the Landrover name, previously used for the Series/90/110, could be used for the Discovery (and Rangerover), upgrading it from a model name to a company name. This coincided with the 200Tdi engine which came with the Discovery.

In other markets the TD engine was an option from about 1986, but the four cylinder Rover engines, including this, were never fitted to any coil sprung Landrovers sold in Australia until the 200Tdi. With the introduction of the Tdi, the V8 and the petrol four became special order items in the UK and the V8 became unavailable in Australia. (The majority of 110s sold by 1990 were Isuzu powered, although the V8 was quite common earlier.)

While talking about these engines, it is worth noting that the Isuzu 4BD1 first appeared in Landrovers as an option (Australia only) in the Series 3 Stage 1 in place of the V8.

John

jesus what a brain over load i think you all totally answered my question damn yous know your stuff, thanks for all the replies good stuff cheers.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

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(The majority of 110s sold by 1990 were Isuzu powered, although the V8 was quite common earlier.)

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John

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I wouldn't know, but if that's the case, what's happened to them all? I see way more V8s for sale than Isuzus.

I guess they're all being hoarded by their original owners. You couldn't imagine that many of them had died.

Simon