Thread: Where to put the winch vehicle?

Originally Posted by dm_td5

- unless its a Defender in which case it doesn't have all of that

Which as about the most capable off road vehicle (off the shelf) has a manufacturer that doesn't attach recovery points either


Martyn

Originally Posted by leeds

IF they do not have good recovery points front AND back they should not be out playing!

Also tie down points are NOT recovery points.

With the 110 and the hybrid I can winch both forwards and backwards. (Well need to fit that new wire to the hybrid winch first). Don't you just love a smart ****?

Regards

Brendan

Yes but brendan thats not for you to decide is it....
I have a good recovery point at the back and not so good ones on the front due to the bar I have so I suppose I should never go out again!

I just travel in the middle of two cars.

but there are a lot of people that dont have good on both ends...I know I would rather be recovered from what I deem to be the strongest.

And not everyone can afford a winch let alone one on either end

Originally Posted by dm_td5

...or not get the car stuck on the bolards in the car parking.

It was a servo and it only took a 20 point turn to get it off again.
Then to cap it of the tanker that helped to block me left as I got free.

Originally Posted by dm_td5

That's because the bar is attached to the crush cans and not just the chassis rails because of the airbags and the crumple zone and so forth - unless its a Defender in which case it doesn't have all of that

Apparently its due to people using really silly recovery techniques and then coming back at the bar manufacturers and blaming them for their own stupidity when things go wrong. The crush cans dont affect the vehicles ability to be recovered from a bullbar at all, the D2 ARB bar can be used for recovery, and even likewise the LC200 which is meant to have really soft crush cans can be recovered from the bullbar (winching etc) but the highlift/tow/snatch points have now been removed.

Hows this for interesting. Because the LC200 has such soft crush cans ARB manufactured a crush can for the bar that was soft in compression, but to prevent it from stretching when winching they ran a cable through the middle of it which was then pinned to the chassis a little further in.

Originally Posted by dullbird

Yes but brendan thats not for you to decide is it....
I have a good recovery point at the back and not so good ones on the front due to the bar I have so I suppose I should never go out again!

I just travel in the middle of two cars.

but there are a lot of people that dont have good on both ends...I know I would rather be recovered from what I deem to be the strongest.

And not everyone can afford a winch let alone one on either end

Well Lou, if you turned up at my local club events with unsuitable recovery points then you would not be allowed to play. Inadequate recovery points are an injury causing incident about to happen.

On one occasion I had to travel over 20 miles to get in front of a vehicle to recover it as recovering it backwards was not an option.

The cost of decent recoveries points is minimal in comparison to the failure of an inadequate recovery point.

Regards


Leeds

Originally Posted by leeds

Well Lou, if you turned up at my local club events with unsuitable recovery points then you would not be allowed to play.

Inadequate recovery points are an injury causing incident about to happen.

On one occasion I had to travel over 20 miles to get in front of a vehicle to recover it as recovering it backwards was not an option.

The cost of decent recoveries points is minimal in comparison to the failure of an inadequate recovery point.

Regards


Leeds

thats nice brendan but I'm not going to be....as you live in the uk

Ok so I have a bar which has what a mate calls to points that you can put a shackle on too that he reckons are to thin! so he said I wouldn't recover from them,
So I purchased some recovery points for my disco you know the ones 10mm thick steel that attach on to your chassi rail.....I put them on they are not long enough they don't drop down far enough to stop a strap interfering with the base of the Bar so the only way I could really be recovered on them is if i was being snatch up a hill as to pull me on the same level could possibly force the bar upwards and into the car.....which is probably not very safe either

So what would you recommend oh wise and noble one. And lets not go for all the expensive options hey because unlike you I don't have thousands to spend on my car

Originally Posted by dullbird

So what would you recommend oh wise and noble one. And lets not go for all the expensive options hey because unlike you I don't have thousands to spend on my car

Lue you dont have to spend a fortune to get good recovery points, on the front

you just gotta know what your doing, and where to get the bits from without going to places like ARB...

T

Originally Posted by Slunnie

Apparently its due to people using really silly recovery techniques and then coming back at the bar manufacturers and blaming them for their own stupidity when things go wrong. The crush cans dont affect the vehicles ability to be recovered from a bullbar at all, the D2 ARB bar can be used for recovery, and even likewise the LC200 which is meant to have really soft crush cans can be recovered from the bullbar (winching etc) but the highlift/tow/snatch points have now been removed.

Hows this for interesting. Because the LC200 has such soft crush cans ARB manufactured a crush can for the bar that was soft in compression, but to prevent it from stretching when winching they ran a cable through the middle of it which was then pinned to the chassis a little further in.

You cannot however, recover from a TJM bar.... The Crush cans WILL dislocate!