Printable View
Are you for real:eek: , These were deliberate lit fires it would,nt matter how much was cleared in these forest,s or surrounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
Now does the blame fall on the owners of the plantations because they didnt burn back or clear fallen branches , What about the tossers that lit them they had a agender to lite fires:twisted: Ill give them more than the goverment would;)
For those with broadband:
MODIS Rapid Response System - FAS_SEAustralia3 Subset - Aqua 250m True Color image for 2009/030 (01/30/09)
cheers, DL
Sorry to see your loss. I don't get what goes through the heads of these mongrels, maybe its a power thing to bring out the emergency services.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
To my mind they are nothing more than terrorists and should charged under that legislation. Or give them to the firies to administer the punishment.
90% of the fires I have been called out to so far this year have been arson.
I hope all goes well for him, unfortunately being in the middle of town won't be a guarantee, ember attack is the major cause of house loss, and houses can be vulnerable many kilometres from the actual fire. Naturally the closer you are the greater the risk. Householders should put significant effort into ember proofing their home.Quote:
Originally Posted by rangieman
If you draw a line from around Port Macquarie (NSW) across to Adelaide that is about the most fire prone area in the world. Whilst fires can start from many causes most have some human involvement (and not always maliceous) the further from 'civilisation' the less likely a fire starting. Vegetation type also plays a significant role, whether it is dry or wet schlerophyll. Whilst wet schlerophyll will (and does) burn conditions have to be much more severe (drier) for it to happen. The further north you go the moister the bush tend to be, until you get into the tropics proper when you have wet/dry seasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
I commend your rellies for their efforts, however as you have stated many people do little, because they want to live in the bush and are prepared to take the risk (some are just oblivious to the risk). This has the effect of reducing the effectiveness of the preparation of those around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
Hazard reduction burning is not as simple as it seems on the surface, there is very narrow set of fuel conditions within which HR will be effective. If it's too wet then obviously it wont burn but too dry and it will be too difficult to control, some of the larger HR's need to be undertaken over a number of days, and hence need a set of stable weather conditions for a longer period. Not much point in lighting up a fire if in a few days time it is going to be hot and windy. Even with the best of conditions the amount of HR that can be done is a drop in the bucket compared to the area of bush that may burn.
What to do depends on where you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by clean32
If at home then stay in the house especially if its well prepared, if not then you should have made the decision to leave well before the fire came through. Many bushfire fatalities occur with people deciding to evacuate too late, and getting caught in bushland between their home and a safe refuge.
If in a car then stay in the car in as clear an area as possible, the fuel tank won't explode, but tha amount of plastics in a modern car mean conditions inside may not be tenable and may drive you out (out of the pan into the fire)
On foot fire will definitely move faster and hotter uphill, hence why you don't run uphill, you should try and move downhill across the fire (towards the edges). Remember in a bush fire it is the radiant heat that will get you, before the fire does.
Have a look here.
Deciding to stay and defend, or leave early - NSW Rural Fire Service or
Living in the Bush, Residents - Country Fire Authority
Has it been proven they were deliberately lit ?? As more fires get investigated many more varied causes come to the front, however incendiarism is a significant cause. I can't comment on Vic but basically in NSW if you own the fuel you own the problem, and have to take measure to prevent a fire occurring on or leaving your land.Quote:
Originally Posted by rangieman
Martyn
When you look at that, you start to realise just how little bush there actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 350RRC
Martyn
Fires can spot for several kilometres around, how much do your rellies clear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
I hope you all are safe and speared of any/total loss...I have been involved in the Qld RFS for over 15 yeas and ho har for 23yrs we understand how heart wrenching this is for any bushfire too strike but particularly when someone starts one
Please stay safe
Mrs ho har
Vern, my heart goes out to you and your community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
Can some of us in Melbourne help you, your neighbours or local community by coming over to -
even assist with defending local farms and houses under ember attack?
- clean up damaged/burnt property
- create fire breaks around farms or
- perhaps
I am led to believe that many farming families are on their own (ie 2-3 person households) trying to secure their properties downwind of a blaze. Despite having firefighting equipment (pumps and 1000Lt trailer tanks etc) they don't have enough hands"on board" to use it as the locals are defending their own places or are out with the local brigade elsewhere.
I have found many 4WDers like myself (particularly in the 3 clubs I am in) who have past CFA/Bushfire suppression experience and if asked would pitch in to help.
Soeey to hear that mate, glad the family are all ok and hope it all works out ok for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
That fire was started by a minor car accident at the Churchill park golf club.Quote:
Originally Posted by waynep
It has burned all around the clubhouse and into the national park where it took off and of course there are houses built right to the trees.
Oh and by the way, there is a 9 metre fire break around the national park up there and they have controlled burns but still it went up like a box of matches......because it was 45deg and sqwally winds.
Couple of pics, messaged to me from Vern, his trailer and yard
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...09/02/1495.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...09/02/1496.jpg