Thread: Would you Aussies put up with this?

Originally Posted by sashadidi

Exactly
In Ryazan russia, exactly this, told there members to go on strike in the railways
(you wiill be be ok!!) all lost their jobs and replaced by cheaper people from moscow , and "union" (mafia) now control them and will sucker punch them
after getting their new fees and repeat it etc etc, they are the other side of the coin fom the bosses!!!

Mate that was in 1908 and the Straza just shot them.

Originally Posted by sashadidi

Incidentally best industry here in Ryzan (russia) is the arms industry
doing very nicely selling to India
No infrastructure being built etc !!!

Depends on nicely, every worker there has signed a document that they will never apply for a RF passport on the pain of imprisonment. its a hole of a place, absolutely horrible depressing polluted dump. But to the workers born there, cheep vodka makes for a great day.
India has an arms industry that makes Russia look as sick as it really is. Russian weapons are heading to south America at the moment or Africa depending on how good the forged end user certs are.

Originally Posted by sashadidi

friend works in the defence force, he tells me that guy HAD BEEN WARNED several times for Breach of contract and for failing to supply goods on time within the contract rules. He waited three months before announcing this just before the job summit for most effect. He use waterproof materials like goretex and choose to supply it to Macpac and others ahead of the defence force
I know who I would supply first the New Zealand army who will never go out of bussiness or a tent manufacturer who may not be here next week!!!!!
He brought a lot of it on himself, the NZ army were very aware of the fallout but he did not react to their phone calls etc
so ther are two sides to every story, the media or other people did not ask why, just reacted, perhaps he is a bad manager? and brought it on himself,
they also tried to find some else inside New Zealand

Absolute rubbish,
The NZ defence force Like the Australian Defence force Tenders out there supply’s, every thing from bread to bullets. they both have contracted management companies like ISS, Tempo, Spotless ETC to produce tender documents and run the tender process as well as follow up on the compliance.
In this instance as i understand it. Spotless is the company. i also think but i am not sure. isn’t spotless a Singaporean owned company ?

anyway i do remember the aussie diggers being told to go easy on the ammo, because it was made in Indonesia at that time and there were concerns over supply.

Oh side note, Russian army’s invasion of Georgia, ammo casings dated 1970 – 1972. now that’s interesting.

Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

Read the artical he didnt even have a contract with the army his contract was with ossie company YAKKA (guess who owns them). They sent work to china not the NZ army but that would not make the same headlines would it.
NEVER TRUST THE MEDIA TO REPORT ACCURATLY they will spin as good as any govt will.

Yeah thats right
If you belive the reports in the media all the factories that are owned by Pacific brands have shut and 1800 people are out of a job.

Truth the factories will start to close in March next year (2010) and the last factory closes in August 2010.

Bugs the hell out of me every time they talk about it on the news.

Also they are already producting and have factories in China so they don't need the machinary so the unions are talking complete crap about stoping them from shipping the machines to China. Plus if they were going to do that they would not do it untill late next year . So all this shouting now is a waste of time and as normal the Unions are preacing to the idiots that lap it up as usual.

Originally Posted by clean32

Absolute rubbish,
The NZ defence force Like the Australian Defence force Tenders out there supply’s, every thing from bread to bullets. they both have contracted management companies like ISS, Tempo, Spotless ETC to produce tender documents and run the tender process as well as follow up on the compliance.
In this instance as i understand it. Spotless is the company. i also think but i am not sure. isn’t spotless a Singaporean owned company ?

anyway i do remember the aussie diggers being told to go easy on the ammo, because it was made in Indonesia at that time and there were concerns over supply.

Oh side note, Russian army’s invasion of Georgia, ammo casings dated 1970 – 1972. now that’s interesting.

Hi My friend has just been employed inside the NZ army December 2008) as supply officer (was civilian supply before that )and they do these contracts in house not outside at least in New Zealand and have another team inside to ensure compliance etc , he just got there a couple of months ago on the tail end of this "breaking" story, I can only repeat what he told me, Yakka had the contact, rightly or wrongly as they are foriegn but the Person doing the work was in New Zealand doing it for Yakka(not in China) he did what I described and did not perform rightly or wrongly and was warned repeatly about it, my frined has no axe to grind and they were under instructions to keep inside NZ like it was, price was not so much of an isuse as the NON PERFORMANCE espically if special forces are not being supplied
I only know what I was told
as you say they should keep it in house for "real world" reasons
My only beef in this is that the whole story was NOT presented by the media so as to be able to judge it correctly, rightly or wrongly about China etc etc etc

Originally Posted by clean32

Absolute rubbish,
The NZ defence force Like the Australian Defence force Tenders out there supply’s, every thing from bread to bullets. they both have contracted management companies like ISS, Tempo, Spotless ETC to produce tender documents and run the tender process as well as follow up on the compliance.
In this instance as i understand it. Spotless is the company. i also think but i am not sure. isn’t spotless a Singaporean owned company ?

anyway i do remember the aussie diggers being told to go easy on the ammo, because it was made in Indonesia at that time and there were concerns over supply.

Oh side note, Russian army’s invasion of Georgia, ammo casings dated 1970 – 1972. now that’s interesting.

I think there is a bit of confusion, this contract was clothing and gearetc nothing to do with muntions, weapons , guns etc that is done as you say by a different section inside the miltary and sourced overseas presumably by the companies you mentioned, New Zealand is like Ozzie no industry left as such!!!

Your Friend would have worked on the Specs, delivery and volume. as the NZ military does not have a commercial arm although the Navy has.

New Zealand Citz do not get employed into the army and they certainly do not get employed as an officer!!! he may have been a Reserve ( territorial) in which case he was already in the army. Or he’s a sectary or he works for one of the companies I mention above.
NB NZ does not have an army. NZ has a infantry Battalion and an artillery Battalion

Originally Posted by sashadidi

Hi My friend has just been employed inside the NZ army December 2008) as supply officer (was civilian supply before that )and they do these contracts in house not outside at least in New Zealand and have another team inside to ensure compliance etc , he just got there a couple of months ago on the tail end of this "breaking" story, I can only repeat what he told me, Yakka had the contact, rightly or wrongly as they are foriegn but the Person doing the work was in New Zealand doing it for Yakka(not in China) he did what I described and did not perform rightly or wrongly and was warned repeatly about it, my frined has no axe to grind and they were under instructions to keep inside NZ like it was, price was not so much of an isuse as the NON PERFORMANCE espically if special forces are not being supplied
I only know what I was told
as you say they should keep it in house for "real world" reasons
My only beef in this is that the whole story was NOT presented by the media so as to be able to judge it correctly, rightly or wrongly about China etc etc etc

Originally Posted by sashadidi

I think there is a bit of confusion, this contract was clothing and gearetc nothing to do with muntions, weapons , guns etc that is done as you say by a different section inside the miltary and sourced overseas presumably by the companies you mentioned,!!!

No confustion, as i said bread to bullets

Originally Posted by sashadidi

New Zealand is like Ozzie no industry left as such!!!

NZ unlike Australia when though a large up heval in the 80s. with no import restrictions many industries vaporised after losing any government support, like Holden Ford etc. The result was many new industries popped up. Like the making of much of the superstructure for the aussie frigates, along with a firing solution. ( aussie subs still do not have a firing solution). but a better example is the Styr, most components coming out of Hamilton for both the NZ and Aussie armies.
Australia is just a little bit to close to the Asia manufacturing and NZ just a little to far away ( economically) though with free trade between NZ and aussie there is a surprising amount of goods coming here from NZ.

Originally Posted by clean32

Absolute rubbish,
The NZ defence force Like the Australian Defence force Tenders out there supply’s, every thing from bread to bullets. they both have contracted management companies like ISS, Tempo, Spotless ETC to produce tender documents and run the tender process as well as follow up on the compliance.
In this instance as i understand it. Spotless is the company. i also think but i am not sure. isn’t spotless a Singaporean owned company ?

anyway i do remember the aussie diggers being told to go easy on the ammo, because it was made in Indonesia at that time and there were concerns over supply.

Oh side note, Russian army’s invasion of Georgia, ammo casings dated 1970 – 1972. now that’s interesting.

The Australian Defence Force as a whole manages the entire tender process internally. This is what keeps the battalions of lawyers and defence civilians occupied each day...

Companies like Tenix (Now part of BAE Systems), BAE, Spotless, SERCO, and TOLL generally have operational contracts for catering, grounds and building maintenance, security services (Its a bit rediculous that defence personnel don't look after their own security) and heavy maintenance including equipment modifications and rebuilds.

After spending 18 years in the Australian Army (In the great Royal Australian Mechanical and Electrical Engineers!) I have seen so much wasted resources, due to decisions being made purely on the end dollar value, and not the quality of the product. (An example is that the Hamel 105mm field artillery piece was designed as a disposable gun by the British... We have to rebuild ours!!)

Also, recently there was a huge scandal within the Australian defence force, over the supply of a part of the Army's field uniforms. The product samples given over to trialing were a superior polarfleece product, which were light weight and flame resistant. However, on supply the product was inferior, with a heavy, flammable, non-robust material used instead of polarfleece (A cheap Chinese knockoff). It turned out that one of the civilians who was part of the tendering process had a hidden interest in the company selected to provide these garments.

As a result, he and some other people who worked in that procurement section were given the sack immediately, for fraud as well as deriliction of duty, as all negative feedback sent into them from soldiers in the field was taken off the system.

Not all tendering processes are infalable!