Thread: Defender Puma vs Toyota 70 Video Review

Interesting comparo.

Africa is the last great bastion of the LR...all it takes is viewing most Wild Cat Diary and similar programs to see that out in the wilds of Africa stalking the big game LRs are still well and truly the most preferred vehicle...makes that Toyo add where the bloke is bitten by a black snake in the outback and only the Toyo can get him to town to get treatment look funny...I mean seriously if reliability was really an issue compared to the Toyo they simply wouldnt risk being out amongst big cats and rhinos and hippos etc in an LR...


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I believe that if it needs optional equipment to do the same test, then I would consider it "optioned-up".

It's Toyota's marketing department that deserve any accolades, not the engineering department. They have convinced people that they need to spend $10,000 more on a vehicle - but then an EXTRA $3,000 if they want it to be capable. Same with not including KDSS on the 200 Series GXL TDV8.

Just my $0.02.

W

Originally Posted by waz

Once again, an optioned-up cruiser vs non-optioned LR.

W

thats fine.......

it makes the test more even........

Do they say 'I can see the road through the door seals', or
'its a great car unless you want to talk , like breathing fresh air or staying dry' on the defender?
Love how defender drivers believe these things are standard features on a car that has been evolving for 60 years

Originally Posted by Diff

Love how defender drivers believe these things are standard features on a car that has been evolving for 60 years

Well they are - are you crazy, or something?

Originally Posted by Diff

Do they say 'I can see the road through the door seals', or
'its a great car unless you want to talk , like breathing fresh air or staying dry' on the defender?
Love how defender drivers believe these things are standard features on a car that has been evolving for 60 years

I don't know what type of defender you drive but mine hasn't read that book. Pat

I have only been 4x4ing for a couple of years but want to clarify a point made earlier in this post.

How, how how can wheels lock up, going down hill, no matter what gear you are in, UNLESS you touch the brakes?????????

IF traction control does this or anti stall or whatever then its a serious safety flaw. Does HDC go to a point of locking up brakes? (In Discos etc) How does that go on muddy descents? I think I would like to stick to basic 4WD's with good ol diff locks and driver input only.

Engine speed should just increase to the point its revving its tits off, until driver feathers the brakes to keep RPM under control, regardless of what gear you are in.

From watching the vid, the downhill section seemed fair to me, he didn't touch the brakes, and the pumas performance *was* quote "Quite horrible". Imagine if that was a looooooong rough descent in the high country? Did he do something wrong on the descent that I didn't see? Contrary to what people have said they do both go over the top of the descent at the same speed, then its basically feet away from pedals and steer, the car should do the rest.

I thought the vid was fair overall, some good points raised (ergonomics), considering he owned the troopy. He did try the hill in the troopy with open diffs, rear locker, then twin locked. Its not as if he tried to hide the fact that he needed lockers to keep up with the open diff traction controlled puma.

In any case the defender/pumas are just soooo good looking, one day..........

I think it has something to do with the seriouly low gearing and the momentum created by gravity....

I'm sur this was discussed once...but I believe Land Rover had to do something to the car because it crawled too slow and was causing the car to loss traction and slide something like that