What's more environmentally friendly, a Disco/Defender V8 or Diesel?

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Originally Posted by Chops

I have a table here that I got off the net through an email that deals with total cost,, "Dust to Dust".
This equates everything from the drawing board, processing, manufacture, to the tip/recycling end of things.
This came about to shut some people up about how good the Prius was supposed to be.
In 2005-2006, some 322 cars were anylised, and the Range Rover Sport, and Discovery come in below the Prius,, :D An FJ Cruiser is just below them in cost,, but the Land Cruiser is well above total cost, :o

This reprt was telling of the fact that the Prius, although cheap to run, was far more expensive overall to even the Hummer. It pointed out facts like the substance used to make the special batteries was mined in the U.S. and then shipped (by boat) to Europe somewhere, processed, and then shipped back to the U.S..
One of the biggest problems is the 50sq miles around the processing site, which is now void of any life forms due to the acid rain, so much so, that it is used by NASA and the like, to train their guys for something,,(not sure what).

So, as has been said by Dullbird and V8Ian, the longer a car can run for, the cheaper it is in the longrun. This is one of the plights with the Prius,, "short life span"....
So all these things should be taken into account when discussing your topic,,

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One of the moms in my sons soccer team bought a Prius and it does nothing that Toyota said it should.On the highway it gets 5ltrs/100 and around town it uses 6 which is no better than my 12 year old VW Polo used to get,and I didn't spend 40 grand either. Pat

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Yeah Chops I think most of us would really like a link to where that report is.

Being able show the more fanatical greener people I know that their misconceptions about reality are based on a car companys PR rather then facts would be really good thing.

Cheers,
Terry

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Hi guys/gals,

The email it came with I couldn't find last night,, it will take going through a fair section of my history,, but I will do my best. The table makes more sense when you have the email to read.
The next thing is the "table" that I do have, is in/on an Excell worksheet,, can I upload that? If not, let me know how I can get it on here, I'm happy to try and do so.

The Prius is definitely ironic but I still find it a step in the right direction, and as a learning process and by people having a say by buying them, may in fact turn out to become environmentally beneficial in the long term.
Personally, I can't wait to see a big advancement in electric cars, I reckon they will be excellent, so good for many applications, including 4WD.
I look forward to seeing racing electric cars, and their advancement.

It won't happen,electric power is a dead end.Bio is the future. Pat

Electric cars may become viable for city use (and I hope they do), but even in that application they demand a better battery (in the sense of charge density, efficiency, cycle life, cost and charge rate) than anything currently available. Typical endurance of the very best available today is around 150km, with a recharge time of hours.

Compare this to a typical small diesel sedan, with a range of close to a thousand kilometres and a refuelling time of minutes.

And then there is the problem that widespread adoption of electric cars would mean a substantial increase in generating capacity - and put this against the background that Australia's greenhouse emissions are mostly from power generation.

And I see little advantage in hybrids - as a typical example, the local health service here has a couple. In 100% country driving, they give worse economy that the Corollas they have, and have less room. And you could do even better by buying small diesels, which would also cost less.

John

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the v8 does the most damage on simple fuel consumption alone. A well tuned diesal should get twice the milage a v8 does. i know my v8 chews fuel like its going out of fashion amd if i'm having a serious off road day she'll use half a tank in 100 ks. Im very seriously condidering selling my v8 and changing over to a diesal, with a chip and a bigger turbo installed into a td5 i reckon the major difference will be fuel consumption. I guess i could get rid of the 37 inch wheels, that may save some fuel but who's gonna look at me then?!

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Originally Posted by willem

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Diesels require more servicing than petrol motors. This can have a greater impact on the environment - more oil, filters, etc, are used.

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Hmm, I don't know if I agree with that.
TD5 scheduled serving is 20,000km, Tdi's are 10,000km, it's just that people choose to over service them IMO.
Most tdi's go over 250,000km before people even think of pulling injectors.
No plugs, leads to replace either.
Then we have the (usually) inherently longer serviceable life of a diesel vs a petrol engine.

Yes, all very debatable.

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Originally Posted by willem

The particulate matter in diesel emissions is quite carcinogenic, more toxic than the emissions of an LPG powered engine. So even if the emissions are about the same, the effect of the emissions on people are different.


Willem

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True, but being negated in modern diesels with particulate traps.

Hi Mudsloth,

you say your thinking of getting rid of your V8 to buy a diesel because it will be cheaper to run.
In all seriousness why not just fit LPG to your V8? A V8 on LPG is cheaper to run then a diesel and is cleaner for the enviroment if that is a concern.

LPG also is also not an imported fuel like diesel, which is even better for the country.

Add to that the cost of changing over vehicles which would be quite high, stamp duty etc and chances are you would be much better off having dual fuel fitted to your V8 then buying a diesel.

just a thought...

Cheers,
Terry

Who cares... :eek::twisted::wasntme::angel: (about hypotheticals that is;)

Anyone that isn't consumed by their small penis syndrome.
Sorry overlooked the hypothetical cloak;)